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Originally Posted by xintersecty
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you did it wrong. but coming up with puns for Sick Sad World is fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by xintersecty
Hi, noob here.
Sorry to dig up an old thread but, I have had almost word for word the same problem as Daox.
I replaced my sisters 05 engine with a low mileage 07 from a local guy after a massive timing belt failure (the tensioner melted)
after doing some online research and trying almost everything else I took it to a dealer for a relearn, only to get the run around and a lot of bad customer service.
First time I took it in they just flashed the ecu after correcting me and telling me it was called a "pcm"
of course the engine light was flashing again not a block away from the dealer.
Second time I brought in a paper with instructions for the procedure. When they finally let me speak with their "master technician" the next day, he had not performed the relearn and informed me that the car needed a complete new wire harness for $2000 because I had broken off the little tabs on fuel injector pigtails and the loose connection was causing the error code, after pleading with him to please try the relearn anyway, he agreed and took the car back for 10 minutes then returned it with the light off.
I was cautiously optimistic and after test driving it around town for a bit I returned it to my sister only to be informed that it was back to its same antics after she refueled it.
I was at my wits end, I even tried replacing the injector pigtails with some from the wrecking yard that I carefully soldered in but, still no dice. I'm starting to think that the dealer just B.S.'d me and reset the ecu but, I can't afford to just shell out another $100 on that hunch. I would really appreciate any more advice you guys might have on this subject, or if anyone knows a way to hack the ecu or somehow disable the error code? it's an automatic so driving around without overdrive is a huge problem.
The shop (not a dealer) I took mine too first could not do the relearn for some reason. They borrowed a scan tool from another local shop. I've also talked with other people at other shops (not dealers) who have had the same problem (engine swap + P0300) and they also had problems doing the relearn. I don't know what is so hard about this procedure, but my dealer was the only one who could get it done. I'd suggest taking it to a different dealer unfortunately. There is no other known way to fix it.
I would call gm regional, explain to them that your closest dealer has tried unsuccessfully 3 times to fix a different issue instead of doing the repair you researched on the internet that is proven successful. Then ask them which dealership you should take it to if you want it fixed correctly the first time.
Even go as far as telling the person the code and the relearn procedure. How much you spent at the dealership to not fix the problem, This way whomever they recommend if they don't fix it the first time you can call back and ask gm to get involved. (they may or may not). Or they will call the dealership you've been going to and ask them why they havent fixed the car.
it seems to need to be done with the gm dealer issue scan tool. so you are stuck with dealerships. I work on all my own stuff, if the manufacturer is going to design something that i, or a lot of independent shops, can not do, their dealership damn well better be able to do it right the first time.
Thanks for the replies.
I was losing sleep over this problem and managed to contact the guy I bought the engine from, he is still parting out his 07 and I'm wondering if I stick the original engines pcm in my car if that might help? I'm thinking it might be worth a try.
07 uses drive by wire, 05 is cable throttle. It won't work. Sorry, ya gotta get the relearn done.
i lol'd when i scrolled up in seen z34's spam...
good luck btw
I decided to take it in to a different dealer on your advice.
I'm thrilled to say that it is finally fixed :toothy10: My year long ordeal is over!
If any of you live in Utah, don't ever give Murdock Chevrolet any of your business,
They are lying, cheating, dishonest scum.
Young Chevrolet on the other hand treated me great and only charged me $70 for the fix.
good to hear you got it fixed
ok guys i just poppd belt n 2006 aveo ,,i just did engine replace ,,,i used an 07 motor in my 06(caus they are same motor)i got a 30000 mi motor shippd to wv for 550.00 ,,now i keep gettn a misfire code ,,and rogh road code too
wow ,,gm really kiked us with this one
i just paid a 500 tow bill ..550 motort 115 clutch lus 3260.00 for my labor help ,,im outta cash
plus my 2010 is all dirty now(caus i had to drive it n damn snow )so
im gonna drive my 06 and let codes fly
what will happen if i dopnt do relearn ,,i donty care if it uses a lil more fuel ,,its my work ride
\it runs great not misfiring at all
ecm shows misfire and rough road code
its just like daox said, it will use a little more fuel and have a light, several others have "confirmed" this as well.
Getting the light shut off is about $100-200 so when you get some money have it fixed, as it will pay for itself in gas.
The relearn should only cost about $100 (1 hr of labor) to get done. I'd recommend it. It smooths the engine out a bit and just makes it drive a bit nicer.
to anybody doing a swap with a manual trans ..if u buy a new clutch make sure they include an aveo alignment tool ,,apparently aveos share a clutch with volvo,,i finnaly got it working ,,but if i hadnt been around mechanical stuff just a little ,,it would have been a worse pain
Did you replace this engine with a 2006 or 2007? I remember something about having to change intake manifolds , air intakes,,
where did you find the other engine?
I found the engine through a local salvage yard. Car-part.com is an excellent site to search local salvage yards.
The engine was from a 2007, and there were some differences. The intake manifold was slightly different. I think I outlined that somewhere in these 22 pages of info. :)
had this car repaired by "Posey's auto service in Aug replacing routine belt,idler,water pumpQuote:
Originally Posted by sky5031
timing belt system,,the head machanic set the belt tensioner incorrectly breaking the stop on the tensioner, I found this out before my son drive out of the shop(high level belt
noise) paid for new tensioner, Sent the old new one back to GM to tell what was wrong with it,, they explained that it locked in the high tension position and never released into
the run mode (this is pointer position coming back off the notch from completing 2 rotation
of the engine) the replacement they installed worked but it also was locked in the wrong position causing the belt to snap 4months later,,no 2005 engines,,so now the engine swap with a 2007 and my reason for asking how your swap out went. thks
that sounds like some terrible luck. but his answers are in here, plus he is not the only one to have done it successfully.
I just saw this thread and my jaw just dropped...... I may buy another aveo in a year just to put the Catera motor in it...... and make it a all out performance car....
I have been looking for a tuner project for my engineering "portfolio" what better then to do a car that I know and <3 :D
Looking back, I'm still glad I dropped the 1.6L back into the car because I didn't want any hassles and needed it done soon. However, I did have a line on a 2.2L for about $100 more than the 1.6L I got. It was very tempting! If I found another Aveo with a dead engine for the right price I'd definitely consider it.
Ya Someone came across with one for a great deal, but had a automatic transmission. And i just didn't want to buy a engine and a tranny right off the back. But My 2005 Aveo Sedan is my audio car for competitions. I think it would be awesome to make V6 twin turbo'd hatch.
I know it would take a lot of customization as well as figuring out the computer.... I think it would be worth it if I can manage enough funds and space for it.
Hey Doax, did you end up plugging the breather hole in the side of the valve cover or did you switch back to the 07?
MY 07 engine is sitting on a pallet in my garage slowly eating a hole in my wallet and sanity. lol
I ended up capping the breather hole. It apparently used to go to a metal pipe that mounted on the block. The 07 block didn't have holes in place to mount it. I'm guessing it was a crankcase breather tube.
Old thread...but damn! That should be a 15 minute job if it's the Tech's first time using a Tech2. What is the hourly rate at this dealer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daox
A good quality scan tool that can read Manufacturer codes would have told you the problem. Unfortunately most of the sub $100 scan tools can't. :-(
Yeah, I'm guessing they just rounded it up to the hourly rate plus a few rediculous chargers ($4.00 "environmental fee" what the heck is that?) It was fixed and I was happy so that was the end of it.
dealerships have started to charge a minimum of 1 hour, OR a diagnostic fee around here..
a friend i know took her car to the dealership with a flat tire it was the closest garage, called me in a panic, i was 2 minutes away so i went to pick her up anyhow. She said they were charging here $600 to replace the flat, the service writer charged her $250 to "diagnose" the tire was flat.. plus $25 in environmental, disposal,etc. I put the spare on in the service area, and took the wheel and tire to get patched for $10 down the street, while she finished her drive to work.
Wow! and they wonder why they get called stealerships.:protest:
I don't think either of the dealers near me would try to rip me off that bad, but I'd rather not have to find out. I need my CANdi module last week.
Hey Daox resurrecting this old thread to see if there are any updates on the car as of late? Still running good?
There really isn't anything to report. Its running like a top. :)
so it goes for 30-40 seconds and tips over? we need a youtube of that..
With a little snow on the ground it'll spin in circles real good. :)
Glad to hear shes doing you right! Must be quite a reward after all the time and effort you spent on it!
I have to say, I read all the post, and only register to this page to congrats you!! :D awesome work!! (and yeah... I know, it's late but wth xD)
Glad to hear of the issues! I am looking at an 04 HB that needs an engine and tranny swap - I am waiting on my friend to get that blasted title!
This was an awsome thread - just read the whole thing, it helped me make the decision to go ahead and get the Aveo - so hopefully very soon!
Thanks!
Matt
How much for a dead '04? Start a project thread if you get it!
not sure, i'm waiting on him to get the title - I will, I am excited about it - hope it goes well and I can get the car before November!
I know this is from an old thread , but you may know the answer to a question I have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daox
I have a 07 Aveo that I need to put a new crank in. I had lost oil pressure and had to put a new oil pump on and noticed that rod bearing for the piston closest to the oil pumpp has spun. is it possible to pull the crank without pulling the motor? I was thinking i may be able to unbolt the motor from the mounts and slide it away from the trans to unbolt the torque convertor from the flywheel and the flywheel from the crank. then pull the crank out the bottom . what do you think is that possible ? would save unhooking all the crap on the top of the engine.
thanks
mark
I'm going to have to say keeping the engine in the car is probaby going to be more of a pain than just taking it out. This is mainly due to the engine to transmission connection. You would at least have to drop the transmission to get at the flywheel/flex plate.
Hey, I know this is an old thread, but by far the most informative information on a swap I have ever come across. I too need to replace my engine. I have found that the 04/05 engines are usually around $800 more than the 06/07/08. I am going to be having a shop do the work, so my question is this. Do you think the money saved on the later engine would be eaten up in shop fees after having to do the "custom" work, and also, is there any advantage of the later year engines that would make that a better choice. I appreciate any input to this question, there were so many good comments on this thread by many different users. Thanks in advance.
Im glad this thread could be a big help.
I would save the $800 and go with the later engine. There really aren't that many differences and they're pretty obvious. Off the top of my head I can recall: throttle body is different (just use old one), intake manifold was different (can use either one), valve cover is different (I used the old one and plugged the big hole on the back right).
If you have any questions, you can always ask.
Wow! Thread back from the dead! Daox how is the 2005 Aveo running these days anyway!