Doxey+snow = craploads of fun!

We went to the snow.....
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...83_22_full.jpg

These chains sucked- broke in the first five minutes in a whiteout.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...83_25_full.jpg

So we went without chains- and had fun sliding :D
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Our buddy is lucky- no chains for a Subaru....
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...83_24_full.jpg

Dox made the picture perfect in my opinion :lol:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...83_26_full.jpg

Had to get a shot of us.....
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...83_27_full.jpg

She handled really well in the snow without the chains- crappy stock tires held in the snow better than we expected. Only slid around when we had bad wind+ice, or when we had a little e-brake fun.

That's it for now folks. I will see about adding more later.

awesome man, I wish we had a decent snowfall this year to slide around in.

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Originally Posted by o4aveohb

awesome man, I wish we had a decent snowfall this year to slide around in.

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where are you from?

nice pics, do those "Chains" ever really work? I see how they should work, but do they?

We got lots of fun snow to slide around yesterday. I need chains

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Originally Posted by y2daniel1981

We got lots of fun snow to slide around yesterday. I need chains

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you dont need chains! chains do nothing but limit your fun when driving in snow!

extreme 2-
yes, for the most part the chains work. until they snap that is...
then they are just a hassle that might pop a tire....

yeah, a good snow tire is generally a better idea. Though, when it comes to a layer of ice, studded tires are always the way to go. Chains are a good alternative if they don't allow you to run studded tires in your area... but like boxkiller said, they eat tires for breakfast.

Dude! You have same color aveo as me. sweeeet! thats med gray right?

I was gonna take off my hubcaps, but didnt know what it look like. Now i know. lol looks good.

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yeah, a good snow tire is generally a better idea. Though, when it comes to a layer of ice, studded tires are always the way to go. Chains are a good alternative if they don't allow you to run studded tires in your area... but like boxkiller said, they eat tires for breakfast.

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I'd love to get studded tires just in case the snow gets really bad, but i cant really justify getting them and 2 extra rims seeing how i dont live in the snow. :( i just get to visit occasionally.
Though if we end up moving out there like we want to- i will definately get 2 extra rims and studded tires.

TrickyAveo- its cool rockin the steelies, but you notice how awfully small your wheels look with steelies more than with the stock hubs. I will be getting new wheels in a couple weeks, so i will post some pics.
By the way- I know i had read a thread containing opinions and feedback on rim size 15" vs 16", but i cant seem to find it. Anyone point me in the right direction?????

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I'd love to get studded tires just in case the snow gets really bad, but i cant really justify getting them and 2 extra rims seeing how i dont live in the snow. :( i just get to visit occasionally.
Though if we end up moving out there like we want to- i will definately get 2 extra rims and studded tires.

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If you move to a snow area, you'll need 4 tires. 2 is really dangerous as when you find yourself braking a little harder than usual, the rear end will want to come sliding.

That being said, if you still only get two tires, they go on the rear.

so youre saying the studded tires need to go on the back on a front wheel drive car? that doesnt make any sense to me considering the front need more traction than the rear to pull the car.
dont ya think?

and i dont mind the sliding. she handles well and my hubby and i take it easy enough. we arent trying to go sliding into a wall or poll or another car. we have been past the reckless teenager phase for quite a while now.

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so youre saying the studded tires need to go on the back on a front wheel drive car? that doesnt make any sense to me considering the front need more traction than the rear to pull the car.
dont ya think?

and i dont mind the sliding. she handles well and my hubby and i take it easy enough. we arent trying to go sliding into a wall or poll or another car. we have been past the reckless teenager phase for quite a while now.

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It doesnt matter if you mean to slide or not and take it easy, it just takes one person to cut you off, you swerve to avoid it, your front wheels grip and steer, the car the back end will want to keep moving forward, and if they dont grip, you have no choice but to kiss you ass end bye bye.

yeah i understand all that- ive been driving long enough to know that no matter how careful you are on the road, anything can happen. especially in areas that have crude weather conditions.
i was more stumped by the advice to put the studded tires on the rear (if i only get two), when my car is a front wheel drive........

I understand the rear tires will not have traction, but if i only get 2 studded tires, i would much rather have them on the front so my car can actually move, rather thatn on the back so i can give it some gas and just sit there with the rear tires staying put and the front just spinning.
does anyone see what im saying?

omg, i love snow. we just got hit with 4 inches of fresh wet snow the other night so i took advantage of an almost completely open parkin lot. there were two cars in it and one of the drivers came out of the building, got in there car and started driving toward me while i was messin around. i thought i was in trouble until i saw the headlights swing sideways instantly and saw that wanted to play too!!!! it was fun!

too bad for them chains, and that decal looks sweet!

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yeah i understand all that- ive been driving long enough to know that no matter how careful you are on the road, anything can happen. especially in areas that have crude weather conditions.
i was more stumped by the advice to put the studded tires on the rear (if i only get two), when my car is a front wheel drive........

I understand the rear tires will not have traction, but if i only get 2 studded tires, i would much rather have them on the front so my car can actually move, rather thatn on the back so i can give it some gas and just sit there with the rear tires staying put and the front just spinning.
does anyone see what im saying?

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It may make sense at first to have them on the front but in reality it doesnt work out to be an advantage. You end up getting a pendulum effect. where as the vehicle is moving forward then turning, the rear end wants to keep moving in a forward direction, despite the fact the front wheels are pulling to whichever side. This is why you need better traction with the rear wheels.

this video demonstrates in extreme conditions the effect of poor traction in the rear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikhL7O092ZA

LOL Mike...we got 8" last night and I was playing in the parking lot before work this morning..LOL nothing like blowing through deep powder and pulling the e-brake..LOL

that decal does look good...

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Originally Posted by boxkiller

yeah i understand all that- ive been driving long enough to know that no matter how careful you are on the road, anything can happen. especially in areas that have crude weather conditions.
i was more stumped by the advice to put the studded tires on the rear (if i only get two), when my car is a front wheel drive........

I understand the rear tires will not have traction, but if i only get 2 studded tires, i would much rather have them on the front so my car can actually move, rather thatn on the back so i can give it some gas and just sit there with the rear tires staying put and the front just spinning.
does anyone see what im saying?

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It may make sense at first to have them on the front but in reality it doesnt work out to be an advantage. You end up getting a pendulum effect. where as the vehicle is moving forward then turning, the rear end wants to keep moving in a forward direction, despite the fact the front wheels are pulling to whichever side. This is why you need better traction with the rear wheels.

this video demonstrates in extreme conditions the effect of poor traction in the rear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikhL7O092ZA

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+1. I know it goes against your intuition, but physics say otherwise. Trust me though, get 4 tires. 2 is not worth it.

Here is a thread about studded tires that may help you too.

http://www.aveoclub.net/phpBB2/viewtopi ... ight=studs

hey man where did you get that sweet as Aveoclub.net decal? :D

nice sliding by the way, I do it almost everyday here in northern michigan

I guess i'm just gonna have to come up with a damn good excuse to give my hubby in order to get 4 rims and studded tires then. :?

hmmmm.... :?: not an easy one.

Not to start any trouble or a fight, but I have to totally disagree with studs on the read tires of a front wheel drive car. I mean c'mon. the studs are for traction to move you forward in hard pack snow and or ice, not stopping power. the only way studs on the rear are going to help is if it is four wheel or all wheel drive. If you do not have ABS pump your brakes in the snow to avoid ass spin, not put studs on.

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Not to start any trouble or a fight, but I have to totally disagree with studs on the read tires of a front wheel drive car. I mean c'mon. the studs are for traction to move you forward in hard pack snow and or ice, not stopping power. the only way studs on the rear are going to help is if it is four wheel or all wheel drive. If you do not have ABS pump your brakes in the snow to avoid ass spin, not put studs on.

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You know, if you can't get the car stopped properly, stay off the road. If you don't want to follow my advice, do as you like. My advice is 4 tires or none, but if you are going to get only 2, put them in the rear.

Any good shop will recommend that. The studs are not only traction to move forward. It's actually more important to stop than to move forward.

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You know, if you can't get the car stopped properly, stay off the road. If you don't want to follow my advice, do as you like. My advice is 4 tires or none, but if you are going to get only 2, put them in the rear.

Any good shop will recommend that. The studs are not only traction to move forward. It's actually more important to stop than to move forward.

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ok i hear ya. sounds like you have plenty of experience in this field, so im not arguing with you. 4 it is.

now- how about brands? do you have any prefrence? im pretty new to the whole studded tire thing, so i dont really know what would be good.

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You know, if you can't get the car stopped properly, stay off the road. If you don't want to follow my advice, do as you like. My advice is 4 tires or none, but if you are going to get only 2, put them in the rear.

Any good shop will recommend that. The studs are not only traction to move forward. It's actually more important to stop than to move forward.

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corrected.

http://www.coopertire.com/html/pdf/Serv ... tin114.pdf

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ok i hear ya. sounds like you have plenty of experience in this field, so im not arguing with you. 4 it is.

now- how about brands? do you have any prefrence? im pretty new to the whole studded tire thing, so i dont really know what would be good.

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As long as they carry the severe weather seal of approval, they should be fine. I use Winterforce tires. They are great. You can tell right away when you compare them to all-season tires.

Ummm, did i miss something? where did the pics go???? :?: