I know for sure that they are borbets the size and offset are the same and they are the only 5 spokes that they made that look like this. I also know that they are old as hell but they use type a center caps ???? what ever i love them they are perfect for what i need and they are crazy light. When i get back to wisconsin next year im getting them powdercoated though and some nwe tires for sure. the ones that are on the wheels now are german and discontinued but really quiet. I need to roll the rear fenders this week due to rubbage. But thats for the kind words ill be painting my brake cals and drums green to match my emblems come saturday.