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      Why an Aveo automatic gets poor city MPG

      Our 2009 Aveo5 is only a few months old with less than 2000 miles on it. We like the car very much except that the city MPG has been disappointing. The city EPA estimate is 25. The best we have been able to get is 22 MPG. After installing a scan gauge and driving very conservatively I was determined to find out specifically why the fuel economy is so inadequate.

      After considerable research I found the transmission is made by Aisin, a Japanese manufacturer with a good reputation for quality transmissions. It is an ordinary 4 speed, with no overdrive. The same transmission is found on all Aveos made from 2004 to 2010. I recently found the service manual for this transaxle, Aisin 81-40LE. It can be found on-line at: http://www.anagabriela.ro/.../2.%20AISI ... NSAXLE.pdf

      The graph on page 5A2-12 shows the manufacturer’s specification for shift points. (The graph is stated in KMH, so I’ve converted the figures to MPH for this discussion.) The graph shows the shift points will vary somewhat according to the TPS (throttle position) reading. On my car a scan gauge registers the TPS reading at idle at about 16; very conservative (slow) acceleration would be about 25; brisk or above average acceleration would be about 35 TPS.

      According to the graph, at 25 TPS the shift points should be at about 11, 20 and 27 MPH. At 35 TPS it should shift at about 12, 22, and 32 MPH. I compared what I am actually getting on my car, at about 35 TPS, which would be considered average or brisk acceleration. I found it actually shifts at about 15, 25, and 45 MPH. In other words, the upshift into the highest gear (fourth) is much too late. Most 4 speed transmissions typically shift at approximately 10, 20 and 30 MPH. The delayed shift into high gear at around 45 is a major reason for delivering poor city FE. I live in suburbia. On major roads, typically the speed limit is 40. Unfortunately, when there is traffic it is impossible to break 45 – thus the car is spending most of its time in first, second and third gears at best, and it virtually never goes into high gear, which would yield the best fuel efficiency.

      The transmission shift points are entirely determined by an electronic module called the transmission control module (TCM) which was designed and pre-programmed by Chevrolet. The shift points for which it is programmed are widely different than the documented specifications of the manufacturer, Aisin. I visited a Chevrolet dealer and spoke with the service manager to see if the TCM could be reprogrammed. He told me that they could do nothing to change it, unless Chevrolet had issued a service bulletin update for the program (which is has not done in the past five years that Chevy has been using this transmission on the Aveo). In other words, unless and until Chevy engineering rewrites the programming of the shift points and offers it as an update for dealers to install, nothing can be done to rectify the existing discrepancy. I then visited my local transmission shop (AAMCO) and asked the same questions. They confirmed that there is no way to reprogram the TCM unless Chevrolet rewrites the programming for it.

      From what I have read on the web this is a very common complaint for Aveos. Most owners are unaware that their cars are late in shifting into fourth gear and frustrated with their poor city mileage. Seeing that there is documentation supporting the fact that the TCM programming of Chevrolet is greatly divergent from the specifications of Aisin, the manufacturer of the transmission, I believe Aveo owners have a valid grievance against GM and should press to have the situation rectified.

      Who can we complain to? How can we unite to complain effectively and have Chevrolet correct this situation?

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      came across this (there is hope for you yet):

      Quote Originally Posted by vine@trifecta
      Yes - the transmission tune from the factory is terrible. In fact, by the time I bought my car, GM had already released an updated transmission tune (including a new operating system).

      The Cruze uses a brand new transmission controller (called the T76) which is very similar to the T43 used in the existing 6sp automatics.

      The Cruze does NOT come with a SPORT mode from the factory, but I added one to mine through the TCM tune. When the shifter is in D mode, it's one profile, and when I move it to the manual quadrant, it goes into an automatic-shifting "SPORT" mode, and then you can TAP it from there. When we get to select-a-tune working for the Cruze, I will probably tie it to this on the automatic cars.

      The Cruze appears to have an LSD from the factory. When I floor it (with our tune on it), both tires spin. LOL.

      The Cruze uses the same transmission as the 180HP Buick Regal 2.4L SIDI, so even with our cranked-up tune, we're well within the designed torque specifications.

      As for tuning it goes, I've tightened up the shifts in SPORT mode, it made a BIG difference. The factory desired shift times are around .5 seconds. I pulled this down to .1 second and it shifts immediately. I need to work on downshifts yet, but initial results are very encouraging - better than what I was able to achieve with my Buick LaCrosse.

      The 6sp automatics have a very sophisticated torque management system. It is possible to greatly exceed the design specs for torque input as long as you don't try to carry the torque through the shift. I've tuned 6sp automatic Corvettes making over 600HP at the input shaft of the transmission that live a long life yet because the TCM is so effective and getting the ECM to remove torque during shifts.

      So, in short, with careful tuning, I believe the slushbox will be able to handle lots of power, and we might even be able to turn it into more of a gearbox. Haha!
      since the cruze is essentially a daewoo just like the aveo, you might be able to get vince to tune the transmission for you to get better numbers.. mpg or otherwise.


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      Temporary fix for OD or to shift into 4th gear on the Aveo automatic .

      Quote Originally Posted by Thymeclock View Post
      Our 2009 Aveo5 is only a few months old with less than 2000 miles on it. We like the car very much except that the city MPG has been disappointing. The city EPA estimate is 25. The best we have been able to get is 22 MPG. After installing a scan gauge and driving very conservatively I was determined to find out specifically why the fuel economy is so inadequate.

      After considerable research I found the transmission is made by Aisin, a Japanese manufacturer with a good reputation for quality transmissions. It is an ordinary 4 speed, with no overdrive. The same transmission is found on all Aveos made from 2004 to 2010. I recently found the service manual for this transaxle, Aisin 81-40LE. It can be found on-line at: http://www.anagabriela.ro/.../2. AISI ... NSAXLE.pdf

      The graph on page 5A2-12 shows the manufacturer’s specification for shift points. (The graph is stated in KMH, so I’ve converted the figures to MPH for this discussion.) The graph shows the shift points will vary somewhat according to the TPS (throttle position) reading. On my car a scan gauge registers the TPS reading at idle at about 16; very conservative (slow) acceleration would be about 25; brisk or above average acceleration would be about 35 TPS.

      According to the graph, at 25 TPS the shift points should be at about 11, 20 and 27 MPH. At 35 TPS it should shift at about 12, 22, and 32 MPH. I compared what I am actually getting on my car, at about 35 TPS, which would be considered average or brisk acceleration. I found it actually shifts at about 15, 25, and 45 MPH. In other words, the upshift into the highest gear (fourth) is much too late. Most 4 speed transmissions typically shift at approximately 10, 20 and 30 MPH. The delayed shift into high gear at around 45 is a major reason for delivering poor city FE. I live in suburbia. On major roads, typically the speed limit is 40. Unfortunately, when there is traffic it is impossible to break 45 – thus the car is spending most of its time in first, second and third gears at best, and it virtually never goes into high gear, which would yield the best fuel efficiency.

      The transmission shift points are entirely determined by an electronic module called the transmission control module (TCM) which was designed and pre-programmed by Chevrolet. The shift points for which it is programmed are widely different than the documented specifications of the manufacturer, Aisin. I visited a Chevrolet dealer and spoke with the service manager to see if the TCM could be reprogrammed. He told me that they could do nothing to change it, unless Chevrolet had issued a service bulletin update for the program (which is has not done in the past five years that Chevy has been using this transmission on the Aveo). In other words, unless and until Chevy engineering rewrites the programming of the shift points and offers it as an update for dealers to install, nothing can be done to rectify the existing discrepancy. I then visited my local transmission shop (AAMCO) and asked the same questions. They confirmed that there is no way to reprogram the TCM unless Chevrolet rewrites the programming for it.

      From what I have read on the web this is a very common complaint for Aveos. Most owners are unaware that their cars are late in shifting into fourth gear and frustrated with their poor city mileage. Seeing that there is documentation supporting the fact that the TCM programming of Chevrolet is greatly divergent from the specifications of Aisin, the manufacturer of the transmission, I believe Aveo owners have a valid grievance against GM and should press to have the situation rectified.

      Who can we complain to? How can we unite to complain effectively and have Chevrolet correct this situation?


      OK everyone here it is and I agree with everything you say about GM and their bad attitude towards Aveo owners and problematic vehicles.
      While driving along at a regular pace and once the vehicle hits say 45 MPH or 2500 to 3000 RMP just quickly turn the ignition key on and off while driving and it will reset the TPS for some reason and shift into 4th gear or OD. I found this on my own and the GM dealer has no fix for the problem. This will save everyone a great deal of gas and also make your engine last longer because its RMP's are lowered. The next thing I might try on my own is to buy an EVEO Chip to see iof it will reprogram the shift points and I won't have to use my manual method of shifting into 4th gear. The Chip is only worth about $80. I will let everyone know if it works and good luck to all with the temporary fix. Please let me know if it also works for everyone out there.
      Cheers Brian
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      Quote Originally Posted by alleycat_42 View Post


      OK everyone here it is and I agree with everything you say about GM and their bad attitude towards Aveo owners and problematic vehicles.
      While driving along at a regular pace and once the vehicle hits say 45 MPH or 2500 to 3000 RMP just quickly turn the ignition key on and off while driving and it will reset the TPS for some reason and shift into 4th gear or OD. I found this on my own and the GM dealer has no fix for the problem. This will save everyone a great deal of gas and also make your engine last longer because its RMP's are lowered. The next thing I might try on my own is to buy an EVEO Chip to see iof it will reprogram the shift points and I won't have to use my manual method of shifting into 4th gear. The Chip is only worth about $80. I will let everyone know if it works and good luck to all with the temporary fix. Please let me know if it also works for everyone out there.
      Cheers Brian
      It sounds to me like you don't fully understand this transmission. It's a 4-speed automatic. By 45 MPH it has long since shifted into 4th gear, which would have occurred at around 35 MPH or so. At 45 MPH the torque converter locks up, but unfortunately never before that. The car has no overdrive, per se. It only has the TC lockup which acts as a quasi overdrive - and accordingly, the only time the car gets really good MPG is when the TC is in lockup mode. If your speed drops to about 40 MPH, it goes back into slushbox mode.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Thymeclock View Post
      It sounds to me like you don't fully understand this transmission. It's a 4-speed automatic. By 45 MPH it has long since shifted into 4th gear, which would have occurred at around 35 MPH or so. At 45 MPH the torque converter locks up, but unfortunately never before that. The car has no overdrive, per se. It only has the TC lockup which acts as a quasi overdrive - and accordingly, the only time the car gets really good MPG is when the TC is in lockup mode. If your speed drops to about 40 MPH, it goes back into slushbox mode.
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      I fully understand the transmission and know it is anordinary 4 speed, with no overdrive. The same transmission is found onall Aveo’s made from 2004 to 2010. The problem is that there are a lot of thesecars out there running around in a maximum 3rd gear no matter what speed youattain. This is very hard on the engine and car overall because of the excessiveRMP. If you choose to switch the ignition key on and off quickly while drivingdown the road at anything over 40 MPG it will trick the transmission into shiftinginto 4th gear. This is a temporary fix since GM has no fix and can be usedwithout hurting anything on your car as far as I know. Since running around athighway speeds and 4000 RPM is a little hard on gas feel free to give it a tryon your Aveo if you’re having the same problem as most Aveo owners. You will bepleasantly surprised at the new lower gas consumption and lower heat that yourcar runs at.
      Cheers
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      Quote Originally Posted by alleycat_42 View Post
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      I fully understand the transmission and know it is anordinary 4 speed, with no overdrive. The same transmission is found onall Aveo’s made from 2004 to 2010. The problem is that there are a lot of thesecars out there running around in a maximum 3rd gear no matter what speed youattain. This is very hard on the engine and car overall because of the excessiveRMP. If you choose to switch the ignition key on and off quickly while drivingdown the road at anything over 40 MPG it will trick the transmission into shiftinginto 4th gear. This is a temporary fix since GM has no fix and can be usedwithout hurting anything on your car as far as I know. Since running around athighway speeds and 4000 RPM is a little hard on gas feel free to give it a tryon your Aveo if you’re having the same problem as most Aveo owners. You will bepleasantly surprised at the new lower gas consumption and lower heat that yourcar runs at.
      Cheers
      Brian
      If the transmission isn't going into fourth gear, the cause should be pretty easy to establish. It's either the transmission itself or the TCM. You shouldn't have to resort to the process you suggested to make it work. Later models are covered by a five year warranty. I've gotten warranty work done on my 2009 when it was necessary. But it helps to know how to state your case to the dealership effectively, such that they will not give you a runaround.

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      Would a Pivot AT-Drive help in MPG?

      http://www.pivotracing.com/files/199..._catalog-e.pdf

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sofes View Post
      Would a Pivot AT-Drive help in MPG?

      http://www.pivotracing.com/files/199..._catalog-e.pdf
      Hard to tell. They make no mention of the torque converter lockup point (which is what the real problem is) and that page doesn't provide the list of compatible vehicles. Also they are in Japan, so it's not available for the American market. Maybe someday we might see something similar, if the idea is marketable...

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      (Not Compatible with the electronic throttle car models)

      the fine print of that product says:

      (Not Compatible with the electronic throttle car models)






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      Opps... missed that out...

      Looks like this is the correct one...

      http://www.pivotracing.com/files/199..._catalog-e.pdf

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