I think this article tells it all
Seven Clunker Cars To Avoid- Yahoo! Autos Article Page
Aveo is Number 1 baby!!!
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I think this article tells it all
Seven Clunker Cars To Avoid- Yahoo! Autos Article Page
Aveo is Number 1 baby!!!
The Aveo portion from that page:
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Chevrolet Aveo
Segment: Subcompact sedan
Worst-of lists: Most Dangerous Cars, Consumer Reports Least Reliable Cars, Two Stars or Lower on JD Power Dependability Ratings
MSRP: $11,965
your parents let you use the internet?
At least he is reliable with his anger. Only two posts attacking the Aveo. I know a counselor/hypnotherapist who is really good with anger issues.
I wonder if AveoJunk is the guy who made that YouTube video... :)
what he forgets to link is all of the recent import recalls
http://www.aveoforum.com/forum/f85/t...99/index4.html
ahhhh an import fan, that explains plenty
A few pointers AVEOJUNK, I would say 'Forbes' magazine is not very qualified to rate vehicles in any circunstance and segment(maybe Fortune 500 companies!) especialy when their articles cites 'Consumer Reports' as a main source of the imformation.
Frankly a magazine that rates from vaccum cleaners to toylet paper would not be my first choice as a car reviewer, and I'm not even citing the many troubles and law suits Consumer Reports have faced in the last few years due to false imformation or favoring a brand over another(I wonder why?$$$$$) :lol:
They have lost their CREDIBILITY long ago. It seems that 'IMPORTS' can do no wrong with them, I wonder what their editors drive? Probably BMW and Mercedes...I garantie u not Honda or Toyota, those are cars for mere mortals like ourselfs! LOL
JD POWER also would not be my first choice.
'CAR And DRIVER' and 'MOTOR TREND' and quite a few others would be a better choice...
Yahoo has embareced itself by placing those articles on its site(I bet they did the 'WE GOTT'S PAYD DANCE' after words!) :lol:
Yahoo autos is but a joke compared to MSN AUTOS, a site that is run by people with real automotive knowledge/background, and professional reviewers that rate cars with competency not just bash them in a attempt to hurt a certain vehicle sales or appeal.
As U can see DOMESTICS lead the sales as they have done for the most part, the AVEO being #6 is quite a acomplishment for a basic econobox made by koreans and we all know a bit inferior in quality to its import counterparts, but remeber its much cheaper too. Sure it has some inhedited problems, but so does them all!
As far as worst crash test ratings, last time I checked the HONDA FIT and some other imports did not do very well... and 4 out of 5 ratting on the Aveo is not bad for a small car.
Reliabilty so far I can only speak for my self, and the Aveo has being great for me, no problems so far at 50k.
Just a 'REALITY' check for you, no car is perfect, from the YUGO to the VEYRON they all have its weaknesses and strenghts, in the case of the Bugatty its crazy price! In the case of the YUGO...well... the Yugo is a bad exemple! :lol:
I'm really curious as to what vehicle U drive?
Everyone that has any common sense knows that yahoo is biased (along with shows like top gear) and make articles like this everyday, though as aveoss points out, the aveo did recieve better crash test ratings than the fit over several model years than , but yahoo will leave that out. The aveo is a cheap car, comparing it with a car like the fit which cost several thousand more dollars is silly. Every car maker/producer has lemons, but import people will deny it.
Hey guys, here is a good idea for an new post:
One Clunker To Avoid!
Whatever AVEOJUNK drives!
:toothy10:
it seems like they drive an aveo...but I doubt they know much about cars regardless
the problem with this is its a "research" article, they just repeat what others think..
is the aveo one of the safest on the road, no. its small, light, etc. Its not going to hit head on with a suburban and be undamaged. But its small, pay attention to the road and turn so you dont hit the suburban..
i like that depreciation is on there.. an aveo costs less than the average depreciation of the other cars.
Heres my big problem with reviews like this.. not only because its titled 7 cars to avoid, they lose theit train of thought, and only list 5. But they list the gmc canyon and chevy colorado separately, they are them same truck! And the h3 is as well but it is not on the list.. The sebring convertible AND sedan are also listed separately.. so of the 7 in the title, the 5 listed they have 3 cars.
the other two are terrible i agree.. should the aveo be on that list? they dont list their criteria for each individual car (what they found)..
it seems poor people who are forced to buy cheap cars have more time to complain about them to consumer reports and such. another thing is "if it falls on three of the lists" well what are the 34 least reliable cars? how many cars are made in a model year? 34 sounds like half.. where does the aveo fall on that list? etc..
Articles like that are all about exaggerated headlines and getting eyeballs. Not much more.
And on the topic of Aveo depreciation, you're right on, rabbit: the percentage amount they drop may be high, but they're so inexpensive to start with, the dollar amount is less, and that's what matters most to people.
Aveo comes up on other comparisons quite well, even considering depreciation. I've seen the Aveo on top of one list of "least expensive cars to own" that factor in all costs: depreciation, insurance, repairs, fuel. Can't find the link now, of course... :)
Well, if they drive a Aveo and hate it, instead of bashing it on a forum for people that 'LOVE' Aveos, here some options:Quote:
Originally Posted by thehunterooo
Sell the Aveo and buy something better, can't afford it? well, that is ur fault, go get a better job or work more hours...
Sell the Aveo and buy a bicycle, can't ride a bike to work cose its far? find a closer job...
Sell the Aveo and walk to work, too far to walk? get a ride with ur friend... don't have any friends? I'm not surprised! :pLOL
Found it! "Hybrids Don't Shine in True Cost To Own Study" Green Car AdvisorQuote:
Originally Posted by MetroMPG
thehunterooo is right, i don't know much about cars. If I did I probably wouldn't have bought an Aveo. I am trying to learn more now.Quote:
Originally Posted by AveoSS
aveoSS: I was trying to help inform others about the Aveo, I didn't know this you could only post love for the Aveo on this site. Is that like a dictatorship? When I began having a lot of problems with the Aveo I began researching it and found alot in the internet including this site. Thought I would share, but I guess CR and JD are unreliable. Wonder how they stay in business. As for trade in, I tried to trade on a new VW Jetta, but the dealers kind of laughed at the Aveo as a trade, seriously, that is wht people think of an Aveo.
that is the most constructive thing I have heard you say...therefore I will retract my picking. No more picking on AveoJunk. Cars are a funny business. There is a lot of hearsay, hard evidence, feelings, opinions and love for cars to distract and sway anybody. I personally have had a love hate relationship with my own cars for over 27 years. One moment, I am hating it and the next it's the best thing to sliced bread.Quote:
Originally Posted by AveoJunk
Here is a few of the things I like about the Aveo:
1) It's cheap
2) It's cheap to fix or mod
3) It's actually a good looking small car (I think the 2010 is sweat looking).
4) It's so light, brakes last forever
Here is a few of things I don't like:
1) The interior is cheap. The carpet is fuzzing like mad and there is sound protection. Did I mention cheap?
2) Shifting is a little sloppy.
3) Gas millage is way under what it could and should be. I get 31-32 when I would rather have 36+
I have owned two 1972 beetles, 1 ford ranger, and now my aveo. Granted it's not a great car, but I don't have to invest a lot of capitol in upkeep. Right now my ranger is giving me fits. I had replaced the engine professionally, and I spent 6 grand for that and a lot of replacement parts. I am super pissed at my engine guy and not real happy about it. Do I hate my truck? No. I just hate to drive it. Now I spent 2/3 fixing up my truck (still don't have the power it should) for the cost of my 2006 aveo. Considering the price target and the value I get, I am super happy with the Aveo.
Is the Aveo the worst car in the world? No. Is it the best car in the world? No. Am I am happy with the money spent on the aveo? Yes!
Can i ask, without you just attacking and saying "the aveo is crap" what is wrong with yours? Also what is the history of the car? how much did you pay for i and where did you get it? tell us about it, what you were hoping for or expecting, etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by AveoJunk
If you think you'll get top dollar for trading in you aveo, you need to remember it IS the cheapest car in america, and even though most of us like it for what it is, we know its typically an entry level or cheap commuter car.
I dont know how much trouble you have had with your car specifically, but mine has only broken down twice in 25k+ miles. I've owned many cars, a lot of more expensive cars including vws, audis, etc.. As far as my experience the aveo is as reliable as most new cars if you have someone who knows how to work on it (not every gm mechanic can even though it is badged gm).
I think the consensus here is the aveo is a good value, fun to drive car that you can fix yourself. As a group we are all helpful and friendly, if you didnt come in with your "attacking" posts you might get more helpful responses.
As for JD power, and Consumer reports:
consumer reports just spits out figures of complaints. Now, does everyone with a car that breaks down complain? NO, it also seems that other dealerships have a better ability to appease the customers, GM on the other hand it really depends on the dealerships. Some are so big that they dont care for the little guy with the cheap car.
JD power is fully based on first impression, and while that is important, it is really not a view of ownership. It is also really hard to give the aveo a decent review for what it is when you just got out of a $70k car (or similar). Think about it, its like going to a 5 star hotel and then staying in the ecolodge.
Like I said, I have started researching the Aveo and found a lot of info. Why would you tell me to go on a Honda fit forum to post about it? that doesn't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by screech985
I personally think I need to read my posts several more times before posting. Even though I use FireFox to help my spelling, I often use the wrong words. Sweat should be sweet! Sound protection should be NO sound protection....
i have that problem too.. but i am on my iphone. Word complete can be terrible.. and my laptop uses firefox.. its just as bad.
I am sorry if you took my post the wrong way. I posted a link to what I thought was reputable info. Didn't attack anyone here, although the response from some was attacking me, but hey that's OKQuote:
Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
Since you ask:
My aveo has been in the shop too many times to count. Mostly for the check engine light. They have told me it is a different "sensor" each time so it is a different fix, therefore I cannot claim lemom law. One time was an exhaust one and another time it was a throttle sensor. another time it was something else. through this Chevy has been less than cooperative, not offering a loaner, keeping the car overnight so they can "cold" test it. I bought the car new so it wouldn't be in the shop. I need the car to get to work and without a loaner I am stuck. also the MPG isn't that good for a car this size, like 30 average. My friend's honda accord gets 29 average and it is twice the size.
I know it is entry level, but I expect it to work and not have to be in the shop. When I started googling the Aveo, I found a lot of negative stuff. I posted here thinking it was an informational place, not an Aveo lovers only forum. Sorry if that offended people here, I didn't try to do it in that fashion. But I think you should tell people all of the information
Is the code for the check engine list the same every time? (probably not if they are throwing sensors at it).
But here we have an incompetent dealership and you are blaming the car. If the car was not fixed the FIRST time, ( i don't know how much time you have between visits light coming back on) but most GOOD reputable dealerships would fix it right the second time, this is what i just said "not every gm mechanic can fix the aveo" its a daewoo.
I'm not attacking you for blaming the car, the dealership probably even has you believing its the cars fault and not them, while carefully approaching their repair behind the scenes so its not a lemon (i've been there) but this is definitely the dealers fault for not being able to service you. I am guessing you are now out of the 36k 3 year warranty? It should entitle you to a loaner car if you are still in it.. I got one when my fuel pump died, it was a cobalt, i hated it.
petrified.rabbit:
you seem to be a reasonable person and present your questions in a nice way. I agree the dealer is partially at fault, but GM stands behind their dealers. I can't get any satisfaction from them. They told me it was a dealer choice to give a loaner or not. And yes they said it was different codes so now i am out of warranty and I feel i was strung along until that point. This is what drove me to start reasearching as I said, and I found mostly complaints and negative info.
As for CR and JD, say what you will ,but I bet if the Aveo won any praise from them Chevy would put it in the advertisement like the other car manufactureres do.
thats because the dealers on get paid back for the loaner on flat rate time, not loss of use (wait for parts).
i think 6 hours flat rate is what a dealer uses to give a demo. I always argue to get the loaner if im going to need it, i got on for my fuel pump it took 10 days to get one from korea.
In you situation i would try another dealer, might not be easy in your area, even after gm closed half the dealerships in our area i still have over a dozen in a 30 minute radius. But i think if you found someone who could fix the car so you can get to drive it, its not as bad as you seem to think.
cr and jd are not car people, maybe 1 in 20 american are, and 1 in 200 (making up my own statistics) are able to fix most thing on a car.. even fewer can actually diagnose and such with a vast knowledge of cars.. cr and jd market to the other 19 out of 20 people who "dont know" or "dont care" JD at least hires someone to look at the car, CR has written reviews on car without ever seeing one in person. Neither of them go beyond a basic first impression like Car and driver, or some other CAR magazine reviews. JD power is often survey based. Did i get a survey aboutthe aveo? Did you? Anyone else here? not wonder its not a top pick.. When i bought my audi, I got a jd power survey in the mail FROM audi, with a $5 bill stapled to to to pay me for my time to fill it out to let them know how satisfied i am with the car.. I have heard JD accepts "informal" and 3rd party reviews too, not sure if that is true, but if toyota and honda send in 3000 surveys, and gm sends in 100 whose going to win?
my take.
good luck with your car.
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Originally Posted by AveoJunk
1) you can fix the car yourself and lower your overall cost of ownership and get it fixed correctly.
2) Go ahead sell the car yourself to get the best price (don't trade it in!)
3) Go to a trusted non-gm mechanic and get your car right.
Pick a plan and let's get you satisfied with your car. Option 2 is just a valid way of being "satisfied" What would you like to do?
If ur here to learn about ur car, u don't start ur post with 'AVEO, ONE OF THE 7 JUNKERS OF THE CAR WORLD'...Just a little advise...Quote:
Originally Posted by AveoJunk
Plenty of people in here not in 'LOVE' with the Aveo, just here for help with keeping their car running properly. I love my car but that does not mean I think its the best car in the world, I've sayd plenty of times I would trade it in a heart beat for a FIT. Another time people that don't own a Versa started bashing on it and I got on them, I own one, I know what I'm talking about....It seems like ur car is a 'Lemon', even if you can't claim it as one. I had a Focus, was a lemon, had a explorer, was a lemon, still I don't go to those forums and bash either one, when asked, I state my opinion, and I may ad I would own either again, as there are good Focus and Explorers out there. The Aveo has its short falls as any other car, cars that cost hundrets of thousands have short falls, so to ask much for a economy box is kind of a ridiculous, its basic transportation and thats it. As far as JD and CR, how they stay in business? How u think the braind dead bimbo Paris Hilton has show? Its America man...
I strongly suggest u save some cash and get another car, once a car becames a headache its time to let it go. As far as the VW dealer laugh at ur Aveo, I guess they don't need a sale, Look for another dealer. VW's are great just know the parts/service is very expensive and they don't get the best MPG either, unless u get a TDI.
AveoSS:
Not sure why you think I should just "shut up" about my aveo and save some money for a new car. That is the beauty of the internet....information, good bad or indifferent.
I did save money and bought an Aveo. Had problems. dealer and GM strung me along. so I should just suck it up? Why, because you don't bash vehicles that you had prolems with? I think you have a "know it all" attitude and a "it's my way or the highway" attitude. You keep telling me what to do and how to act. Is this a complex? Take petrified.rabbit, he asked things politely and we had conversation. Thats what I thought forums were for. I didn't write the article I posted..soo
BTW it was a 2010 TDI i was trying to buy. Great discount and financing, just can't get anything for the Aveo. Hard to sell myself with all of the bad press like the article saying avoid the Aveo. Thats what its all about.
Never say for u to shut up, 'remember our first ammendment' could not cares less what u do either, just responding to ur post.
I don't like what u posted. therefor I responded, u don't like my responce, thats fine u have the opportunity to respond back...just know you bash someones car u gonna hear it back.
Again, starting a post with 'AVEO IS CRAP' and having a name like AVEOJUNK does not seem very friendly or constructive, DOES ANYONE ELSE HERE REALIZE THAT?
When someone visits this forum for the first time or do a search it will came up, MAKING THE AVEO LOOK LIKE ****, HOWS THAT CONSTRUCTIVE? seems down right bad attitude to me. Rabbit was nice to you after u sayd his car is crap, good for him! Well, I won't!
Sorry I don't feel simpaty for ur troubles.
Let me change my name to 'AVEOTURD' or maybe 'AVEOTRASHCAR' and see if anyone here will be offended or just embrace me with open arms...
Anyone here gonna back me up on this?
Wow, I keep trying to respond on my phone but it is not working, take it easy aveoss. You must understand that most people hate the aveo when they never driven it or know the first thing about it, and it gets to us, so we do not tolerate much here as you can see. The aveo gets a bad rep just because it is part daewoo, and most people in the usa hate daewoo, just how it is. Sorry if I was blunt but I have dealt with too many hateful people. We can help you troubleshoot your problems.
Thanks Hunter, I knew u would respond and well sayd, this got under my skin.
But I'm not helping anyone calling himself 'AVEOJUNK' or anything that is detrimental to my car.
Its like going to your neighbor that is a diehard RAM owner and say 'Hi my name is 'DODGEISATURD', can u help me fix my POS RAM? Its the same CRAP u got so u should be able to help me fix it!
Don't forget to bring some bandages and neosporin, cose most likely u be out of there with a broken nose...
Ignorance is no excuse!
What u think would happen if I whent to a Honda forum and signed up with the name 'HONDAISCRAP'? Garantie u I would be kicked out in a heart beat and with GOOD reason.
I can discus why I dont like a particular car or the problem I had with it, but I dont generalize. His name and post is a very direct afront against Aveo owners, if no one notices that, oh well...
U want to talk crap about the Aveo? Start ur own forum!
WHERE IS Z34GUY? I bet he'll have plenty to say about this...
AveoSS:
I never started a thread saying the Aveo was "crap". I responded to the thread about Aveo versus other subcompacts and my post was moved to a new thread and it looked like I started it. Not the way it happened. I simply posted a response to a thread comparing the Aveo to other cars and I posted information comparing it to other cars. You immediatley started railing me. Now your last post you are borderlline threatening me with the bandage and bloody nose stuff. Sheesh, what happens if you really get fired up?
And I never said petrified.rabbit's car is a turd or whatever, so don't try to put words in my mouth to get other members to join you in "battle". As a matter of fact, I commend petrified.rabbit for being a gentleman.
BTW, I never asked you to help me fix my car, so get off you soapbox.
too bad you don't like my screen name...what should i make it. and why does everyone keep referring to honda forums???
The fact U started the thread or not, is not important, fact is, u presented the imformation with the clear intent to bash the Aveo, if no one here can see that WOW!
What about starting the post with 'guys this is what I found, the Aveo looks bad here, what u guys think? Or I agree with this article, I've had lots of problems with my car latetly' That would have been ok.
Seems like u have a excuse for everything but ur lack of COMMOM SENSE! Calling urself AVEOJUNK in a Aveo support forum shows it clearly...
I'm one of the few guys here that praises the Aveo competition and points ou the Aveo is imferior in many ways, me and u would have a ball pointing out how much better the Fit or Versa or the rest of the competition is in some aspects.
But sometimes being the worst is better, is what makes u more intriguing and fun...the underdog effect!
I never sayd I would hurt u, it was just a 'allegoria' , of what could happen to someone that has no common sense.
I guess Rabbit has more patience than me, good for him!
Ur screen name is on itself a attack on anyone that likes Aveos. U did it in purpose, no need to pretend its a innocent pick.
I would not help anyone that call him self AVEOJUNK so don't hold ur horses.
Maybe I'll change my screen name to AVEOJUNKSUCKS, unless anyone has objections...;)
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I'll take responsibility for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AveoSS
When I split the thread I used the article title that aveojunk was referring to as the new thread title. Made sense at the time - I thought it was worth discussing (which is why I also quoted the relevant part from the article in my post).
EDIT: put away the popcorn hunterooo! :P
AveoSS, let's not escalate this any more. Aveojunk is being fairly reasonable (aside from the unfortunate choice of username). Everybody take a deep breath.
Are you reffering to the video of the guy who was complaining about the plastic piece that broke causing hid engine to seize?Quote:
Originally Posted by MetroMPG
Jokingly. Yup.
Ah, of course! I was making sure I didn't miss out on any other awesome aveo videos! Haha
Ur the Boss Metro, so ur wish is my command! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by MetroMPG
I appologize if anyone got hurt by my comments including Aveojunk.
I admit I can be a hadfull once I get going.
And Hunter, I hope u choke on that popcorn!:)
You rang? I'm too lazy to read this entire thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by AveoSS