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What happens when you give Cadillac the platform for a small car? Cadillac Aveo NEXT on Sick Sad World!
Cadillac Urban Luxury Concept: The Cadillac Of Aveos
Bonus points of respect to anyone who gets my reference.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....ry-concept.jpg
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image source: http://green.autoblog.com/2010/11/17...ience-la-2010/
OK a bit of web searching, I get it, for the TV show Daria. Here is the page for quotes: Sick, Sad World - Wikiquote. It reminds me of watching the movie "Kentucky Fried Movie" The Kentucky Fried Movie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. "My underpants are on fire, film at Eleven."
You had to search the web? Seriously? Daria was on mtv back when mtv still played music videos..
Oh, yeah at least I forget, that car is almost as ugly as the Cadillac Seville Attachment 3614
Season 1 of Daria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2uQT_WK4Ho
Season 2 of Daria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OcUQUAjXwY
the video for season 3 has been removed due to copyright BS
Season 4 of Daria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lQtBb_MOa0
Season 5 of Daria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx1MQkhRdZo
Well, there was that period where I did not watch cable.... then no TV at all (20 years), now I have cable. About the only thing that excited me was the Ultimate Car Build Off. I really enjoyed that show, when the Basturds (Discovery Channel) changed the time slot and I missed the last three shows. I grew up not watching TV cause my parents got rid of it (saw a lot of movies) and I turned into a reading junkie. I typically can trash a book in about a two nights. The only reason I have cable now to satisfy my data needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
I don't watch TV either, but there are a few shows I make an effort to watch.
Daria (reruns are soemtimes shown on Logo, a LGBT station)
Wheeler Dealers (HD Theatre. They buy a classic and restore it and try to sell it for a profit)
Top Gear UK
Top Gear America (premieres this sunday at 10 PM EST on the History channel)
American Dad
Family Guy
That's it.
@Z34Guy, Thanks those clips where pretty funny. I need a really good laugh now and then...now time for some AVM...!
Daria is one of THE smartest shows I've ever seen. And it ages so well. Even 10 years later, the series is STILL relevant. The sarcastic and cynical humor of the show makes it hard to believe that it's a spin off of Beavis and Butt-head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhYwcpw6yBY
Anyways. Back on topic. What will come of this probably Aveo-based Caddy?
Do you know what's lurking under the hood of you luxury car? Deadly love from Korea in a Cadillac TONIGHT on Sick Sad World!
this car, if made, once it loses the flip enlarged single doors for four standard aveo doors (in typical gm fashion).. get more traditional tires and wheels, etc.. it will be about as different from a normal aveo as the fwd catera is from a malibu...
i think the hardest sell is in the new media who has seemed to become a little more cynical of the big 3, is how they are going to sell the aveo as a buick and/or cadillac, with the typical appreciation between models, the cadillac should fall in around $25k..
I like it. Its very different. I know that usually goes to the extreme either way, but I like it. I completely agree with Rabbit though. By the time it goes to production it won't be much different than anything else out there.
Cadiveo? Aveillac? :)
Cadillac has done this before: taking an entry level platform and massaging it into a desirable automobile:
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Page...c-cimarron.jpg
:D
Kidding.
I think your using the word "desirable" very loosely.
Those older versions were always the poor mans Cadillac. I don't think the market is that foolish anymore, but Americans stupidity never ceases to amaze me.
More like sarcastically than loosely. :) Cadillac Cavalier!
I actually think the Aveillac concept looks pretty good. And it makes sense that they'd be batting around ideas for a premium compact / subcompact. Again.
In aviation 1/3 of the cost of the airframe is the avionics. Now with upper end cars, it's astounding the number of processors tossed into a car. By the time you integrated audio/video/gps services with some kind of ride handling feature, there will be about 15 grand added to the retail price. I will have to admit I do really have a strong cultural bias against caddies and I always did not care for the atheistic approach by caddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
I wondered how if I would reacted if that was done by any the Euros. I do like the aggressive look of the vehicle, I don't like the grill, and the wheels. I do like the flip doors.
I really think America does have a hard time accepting small vehicles. The past two weeks I have been driving my Ranger and I get much different treatment than my aveo. Here in SUV land, I don't have them kissing my rear at stop lights. In my aveo, they will snug right up and almost forcefully push their presence onto my car. Hey guys we are not Reese Monkeys!
I love driving small cars. There is a lot advantages to them and for us, guys...we don't have to drive an big SUV/Truck to compensate....GRIN.
if you think they will stuff more/better parts into the car just because it has a wreath on it, i think your mistaken.. having torn into those "low end" caddys i can tell you, historically, they use the same components as their cheaper gm counterparts.
At least in todays market the full body paneling would be different.. instead of just the header/bumpers and lights.. the interior (dash and such) will probably differ, they might offer a high line radio with nav (new prototype aveo already has this though). All the power accessories will be the same. I have a feeling the caddy would use the awd that buick has mentioned.. which i have no idea of that cost. it would be great if they implemented higher line parts so we could steal them, but that would drive my guess of $25k even higher, and i doubt you will get the car to compete with a similarly price audi a3, or 1 series if you keep jacking it up..
I might be interested in doing that door conversion though lol, I prefer 2 door cars, and the back seat would still be accessible without leaning the front seat forward. I'm not completely sold on it, I'd hate those doors a few years down the line when they started wearing out, and didn't want to stay up.
That was back then rabbit.
I can honestly see them turning the Aveo platform into a proper Cadillac or Buick. All would have features unique to that model. GM has all the ingredients to make the cars proper for the brands. I can see the Buick version with heavy sound deadening stuffs to reduce the sound, give it a quiet comfortable ride, a slightly larger engine (probably 1.8L) and a more upscale interior with unique styling. I can see the Cadillac version as an all out hot hatch with a turbocharged engine (probably a tuned 160 HP variant of the 1.4L turbo to take on the Fiat 500 Abarth), possible magnetic suspension which Cadillac has become known for, awesome handling, a higher end interior, angular styling. This would all be while keeping the Chevrolet variant a very bare bones model much like it is now, but there is room to move it slightly upscale. They have all the ingredients for small car greatness. Now watch them **** it up.
Don't get me wrong, the new GM has done great. I'm just waiting for them to do something stupid. It's bound to happen sooner or later. I honestly like that concept. It's a proper Cadillac to me. That's something I would buy.
ok. your wait is over, making a cadillac aveo is stupid. all that great technology that cadillac does have does not go on all its models.. every car manufacturer is "building" themselves out of their original markets.. gm is competing with itself again in all classes. its a stupid move the history shows does not work.
Actually, there is a market for small luxury cars like a Cadillac Aveo. Mercedes does rather well with the A class and the B class, which should get passports for the US soon, Jaguar and Aston Martin are reportedly working on small car projects of their own. Small cars are the In thing now.
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/p...rtincygnet.jpg
Above: Aston Martin Cygnet. My case in point.
i agree with you about the other manufacturers, hell i would drive an a segment audi, vw, aston, etc. the european market does not equal the us market.. thats an "average" car over there.. and they don't build their own competition.
when americans think cadillac they think grandpas or escalades.. not small economy performance. anyone interested in the latter would not want the added weight of the caddy components. i doubt they will upgrade and pay for emission certification of a new engine just for the caddy version.. ie if it goes into the caddy it WILL go into everything..
like i said, americans are stupid and accepting. just like the versa, fit etc it will sell because people are brand loyal, when the sentra or civic they bought 5-6 years ago is now a car they cant afford and the versa or fit is in the price range they accept it.. if cadillac builds it someone will buy it.. but it will be another redundant model. (unless they do the caddy awd instead of the buick to kill some of the overlap)
Also the audi a2, aston martin cygnet, vw polo, hell even the smart car, were all designed and produced as luxury performance super sub compacts.. While cadillac in an attempt to compete will use a refaced "bottom of the barrel" daewoo. Dont get me wrong i love my aveo, because i know what it is.. but its still the "cheapest" car in america.
Just found this. From Cadillac's own youtube account. Right there it shows some features that WOULD be Cadillac specific. As for engines. I could be wrong and the Aveo SS would get the 1.4 Turbo. Cadillac would have to be different. GM could bring over Opel's 1.6L turbo with 190 HP to best the Fiat 500 Abath SS (180HP). Fiat did just release pricing for the American 500, and I'm sure the Abarth will be in Cadillac's proposed price range.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoBt8mgmE50
i like the concept, but to get what that concept is is probably a 35k car.. by the time its dumbed down for market it will just be a refaced daewoo.
Do we continue arguing or just admit that GM has the tools to make it a proper Cadillac, but more than likely if it does hit production, they'll find a way to **** it up.
exactly. i didnt think we were arguing. i just think your too optimistic :P
pessimist.Quote:
Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
I've always been an optimist.
If they DON'T **** it up, I'd expect a bare bones model to start at $19,000. Remember, the next gen Aveo is on a completely new platform, so we don't know what to expect.