Life exptancy of the Aveo?

Hi all, I am new here, and have questions about the service life of the Aveo. I have a bad miss in it, it vibrates more than my bike does, and is throwing codes P1781, P0700, and P0300.

We bought it new in late 2004, and have about 107K on the clock. We did the timing belt replacement around 60K (yeah, coming up on another by spring), and around 100K I replaced the plugs and wires, and knocked the bugs out of the K&N.

I just replaced the plugs again, at less than 10K, because I have seen plugs go bad. Of the 4 plugs, all were burning the same, except the 2nd from the right... it had a litle black around the edge of the rim, but the spark area looked like the other 3. They were the AC-Delco laser platinums. The plugs I put in yesterday are the NGK Iridiums. We are taking it in the the dealer today, because I do not have the money to just keep throwing money at the problem. I doubt it is a coil, because the other cylinder on that coil is running fine. I figure there is probably a control module in there somewhere, but they cannot get it at O'Reilly Auto Parts, and I do not want to keep guessing. I need her out of my Concorde, and back in her Aveo.

Here is the reason for my question... my mechanic tells me that I should look at getting rid of the Aveo (affectionately known as "Little Red Speedy"), because around 120-130K, they start falling apart. I have trouble believing that. The only reason I replaced the plugs around 100K, was that I "sensed" a miss/stumble in the car at idle... it was STILL getting about 32mpg. My mechanic has no profit motive here, because he is not trying to sell me another car. I just suspect he is talking without knowledge of the car. I have only seen one other Aveo in his shop, and that one was falling apart, because it was beat all to hell, where we take good care of ours.

How about it forum people, how many miles are on our cars? Mine is stock, other than the K&N filter.

code / what's wrong or how to fix it

P0300 / Crankshaft Relearn procedure
P1786 / Transmission PCM fault
P0700 /transmission control system

That's just what I've gathered from searching the sites for the codes you gave. Seems like a serious problem and something you definitely want the dealer to do.

As for the longevity of Aveos, I've seen some with 145,000 miles and saw one with 186,000 miles. Provided you take care of them and fix whatever eventually breaks, they'll last as long as any other car.

If I recall, wait for Daox to post as I believe he's dealt with his car giving him these codes as well.

all cars regardless of original cost start to "no longer be new" around 80k miles.. (some sooner). By 120k they tend to need a few parts replaced, like a ball joint or tie rod end, maybe a bushing. That is all cars, even $50k ones. the aveo specifically around 120k miles, i would plan on replacing the strut mounts and struts, probably about $300 in parts, you can check the bushings etc at the same time. If you cannot do the struts themselves, i would at least do the front strut mounts..

You've already give the engine a tuneup, however your miss could still be the coil pack, if it is cracked on a particular post, and not the side of the coil. Personally getting rid of the platinum plugs will help you, by design. But this is still debatable on the forums as far as effectiveness to inappropriateness (read about platinum plugs and waste spark ignition compatibility problems). I am not sure about the iridiums, i have never run them and would personally stick to the coppers, even if you replace them twice as often they are typically half the cost. Most important thing to check with age is the engine mounts, check all three of them, and cycle gears while hold the brake to see engine movement.

There are a few aveos approaching 200k on these boards. So they can go the distance, however, since it is an economically built car the "cheaper" components will start to rattle, unlike high line cars like mercedes, bmw etc the dash bolts dont necessarily have loctite, lock washers, and bushings on them to keep the dash tight.. same goes with the rest of the interior.

as far as life "expectancy". based on average cost of buying a car etc.. typical cost of ownership and such.. i think you aveo is already done its job.. but life expectancy is 13 years and 145k miles regardless of make or model..

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Originally Posted by normburns

I have only seen one other Aveo in his shop, and that one was falling apart, because it was beat all to hell, where we take good care of ours.

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I think that's a key point. I've always tended to buy used "entry level" cars like the Aveo, and think that people generally don't look after them well, possibly because they don't have much money to begin with, which is why they buy them.

But I've yet to own a car that has a "best before date".

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Originally Posted by MetroMPG

But I've yet to own a car that has a "best before date".

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i have :P

I've owned two cars that the titles were stamped "beyond cars life expectancy" one was a chevette, the other was a 67 beetle.
Not sure why either REALLY were stamped that, but they both had broken odometers. Before emissions was enforced, yearly mileage did not matter as much as today. So i figure it was like a "mileage exempt" stamp on the title. BUT now a days you have to have a working odometer and would get fined for odometer fraud..

That's hilarious. :D Something to frame and keep on the garage wall.

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Benjamin: Yes, sir.
Mr. McGuire: Are you listening?
Benjamin: Yes, I am.
Mr. McGuire: Plastics.
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Every car I have owned, I ran the hell out of it. Usually the metal stays strong (mostly) but the plastic does fall apart. My dash in the 72 beetle is brittle and my seat in my 96 Ranger is crushed (could be my butt is too big) from the foam wearing out. Cars will last if you do take care of them. It's just hard considering most of the inside of the car is plastic.

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Originally Posted by normburns

Hi all, I am new here, and have questions about the service life of the Aveo. I have a bad miss in it, it vibrates more than my bike does, and is throwing codes P1781, P0700, and P0300.

We bought it new in late 2004, and have about 107K on the clock. We did the timing belt replacement around 60K (yeah, coming up on another by spring), and around 100K I replaced the plugs and wires, and knocked the bugs out of the K&N.

I just replaced the plugs again, at less than 10K, because I have seen plugs go bad. Of the 4 plugs, all were burning the same, except the 2nd from the right... it had a litle black around the edge of the rim, but the spark area looked like the other 3. They were the AC-Delco laser platinums. The plugs I put in yesterday are the NGK Iridiums. We are taking it in the the dealer today, because I do not have the money to just keep throwing money at the problem. I doubt it is a coil, because the other cylinder on that coil is running fine. I figure there is probably a control module in there somewhere, but they cannot get it at O'Reilly Auto Parts, and I do not want to keep guessing. I need her out of my Concorde, and back in her Aveo.

Here is the reason for my question... my mechanic tells me that I should look at getting rid of the Aveo (affectionately known as "Little Red Speedy"), because around 120-130K, they start falling apart. I have trouble believing that. The only reason I replaced the plugs around 100K, was that I "sensed" a miss/stumble in the car at idle... it was STILL getting about 32mpg. My mechanic has no profit motive here, because he is not trying to sell me another car. I just suspect he is talking without knowledge of the car. I have only seen one other Aveo in his shop, and that one was falling apart, because it was beat all to hell, where we take good care of ours.

How about it forum people, how many miles are on our cars? Mine is stock, other than the K&N filter.

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at roughly 107,000 miles my coil pack went bad, in return killing the air fuel ratio sensor and catalytic converter

well, I now have an idea of what is happening. I mentioned (I think) that one of the plugs didn't look like the others, in how it was burning. Do you think that 25lbs compression in that cylinder might have something to do with it? The dealer is looking into it, to give me a good diagnosis, and then I will decide which route to take.... another engine, or another car.

You should get close to 135psi compression on a good cylinder. At 25psi, you're getting some serious compression losses. Time to bore the cylinder to the first oversized piston.

If it was my choice, that is what I would do. This is the wife's daily driver, so I will see what she wants to do. I have built a few engines, and I am pretty sure this would not be a lot more expensive than some of the alternatives. I have yet to find another engine that is less than $1300.

this comes up every other week (about the engine )

Yeah, I was reading about the 06 engines running around $700... not around here! I will probably either rebuild, or replace the car. If I rebuild, I found an engine kit, minus pistons, for about $400. I have never been a big fan of oversize rings, but just for cleaning up the bore... they should be alright. Based on the used engines I have found, a rebuild might actually be cheaper. If I go that route, maybe shave the head a bit for a touch higher compression... any choices for cams? Something a little more torquey than stock? Would the stock ECM handle a LITTLE bigger cam? I' thinking a little increase in torque would give a little better mpgs on the highway.

Any thoughts on other sources for the engine kit? Ebay is usually NOT my first choice, but I used to work at Oreilly's, and I know they are pretty proud of their engine kits, IF they could even get the parts for an Aveo.

i highly doubt the lose of compression is piston or ring related.. imho.

i think maybe head gasket, more likely a valve issue.. (burned or gummed up)

so you would just need a head gasket kit, and some head work. I would not pay a dealer to do it though.

but Import Performance Parts - Import Performance Engine & Racing Parts carries the proper vauxhall and daewoo parts..

Yeah, I have a guy who can do the job, and do it my way, BUT... her car, her money. She will get it repaired where she has the most confidence. Since it is her car, I want her to be confident in the work.

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Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit

this comes up every other week (about the engine )

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I want to know if its in how these cars are treated? I mean I hear of all these engine, bent valves, code problems and thankfully my 04 which I bought new in 04 has been just fine up to now ahich is 123k. Now dont get me wrong, I've had to do wheel bearings, and such but all that stuff wasnt until after 100K.

Well, ours was a great car until about 107K, after that? Not so great.
It is not the head, or a valve, it is rings on the number 2 cylinder. I hit all of the parts stores, who get reman engines, nobody, including Jasper and Marshals does a reman engine for the Aveo. Does anyone have a source for a reman longblock?

A friend who owns a salvage yard said he found one for $1200, but is was not low miles.

Whats the possibility of picking up a low mileage engine out of a wrecked Aveo? 06 07 08 Chevy Aveo engine 1.6L 4c 48K miles - eBay (item 200542399536 end time Jan-10-11 13:18:53 PST)

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Originally Posted by NYChevoo

Whats the possibility of picking up a low mileage engine out of a wrecked Aveo? 06 07 08 Chevy Aveo engine 1.6L 4c 48K miles - eBay (item 200542399536 end time Jan-10-11 13:18:53 PST)

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Will this engine work in mine? Mine is an 04. If it will work, I'll have it!

edited to add: I have been told that the longblock for the 04-10 is the same, only the external stuff might be different. Can anyone confirm this for me?

04 to 08 is usable, there a slight changes where you will need to keep some newer components.

i think it is hte way they are treated, keeping up with traffic, not doing regular maintenance, coupled with a 60k mile timing belt.. most people still consider a 60k car new.

You need to watch out when using of the Drive by wire motors from the 06-08. Search Doax's posts, he's done the swap.

quite a few people have swapped, even the same year engines, and have had most of the problems he has had.

But his thread documents the process very well.

I was using that Ebay ad as an example. I wonder if Daox's results wouldve been less of a hardship if the same year engine was used like 04 to 06?