Wishful thinking

[christian]

Let's be clear about this: Chevy designed the Aveo here in America. It's an American designed car that was produced in Korea. If there are design flaws, they are American in origin. The car was produced in Korea with mostly Korean made materials. The political implications of buying a product that is not made and assembled in America seems to bother you greatly. But your annoyance and complaint is about global politics, not about car production.

Nothing political here. My complaint is what I complained about. Outsourcing hurts the economy and I don't agree with an american company selling out our technology to other countries so they can sell it for cheaper here, and not even that much cheaper. I'll do my research about where the aveo was designed.

Yes, and GM (Chevy) was "saved" by the US government. How is that any better? Or are we into the "too big to fail" excuse, which is also a political rationalization?

I'm not playing the "better than" game. It's not any better. My point was to counter-argue the view that American technology is inferior to Korean technology, but forget that I ever said that. I honestly don't know I got that out of what you were saying. I guess you could interpret it the way I did, but that's obviously not what you meant. I don't know how got this nonsense out of what I posted. I didn't say anything about it.

No, what Daewoo had to offer was an unprofitable company that could be acquired cheaply, and a work force that was less expensive to utilize than American labor would have been. No one said that Korean technology is superior. All the technology in the car is American designed (with the exception of some components such as the A/T which is Japanese). Have you noticed that features like all the door locks and the switches operate in the opposite direction of that of Asian designed vehicles? That's why the Aveo is a Chevy product, not a Daewoo product.

No, I haven't noticed. I owned a 1996 Honda before this. Which reminds me, you completely ignored that part. There is nothing political about what I'm saying. I'm talking about supporting your founding country and better ways of doing business. I thought the comment about honda and chevy made that obvious, but I guess not

Seeing that you are experienced in posting to a forum I find it hard to believe that you don't know what a "troll" is.

Experienced in posting? No. What implies that I have experience? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this stuff out. I just now figured out how to "Reply With Quote". If you're being bias because you think I'm from Texas, I'm not. I'm stationed in this ****-hole.

[christian]

the sonic AND cruze were designed, and made first in korea. The US version costs us @ an extra $1000 - 2000 per car.

Hey, Thymeclock, ​begs to differ. He says that they were designed in America and manufactured in Korea......

[Thymeclock]

Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
the sonic AND cruze were designed, and made first in korea. The US version costs us @ an extra $1000 - 2000 per car.

Hey, Thymeclock, ​begs to differ. He says that they were designed in America and manufactured in Korea......

Hey, Christian: You apparently are having difficulty comprehending written English.

Here's what I said:

Let's be clear about this: Chevy designed the Aveo here in America. It's an American designed car that was produced in Korea.

Did I ever say anything about the Sonic or the Cruze? No, you just imagined that I did, and went on to misquote me.

If this is not a reading comprehension problem, then you are playing the 'straw man' strategy of putting words into other people's mouths.

[christian]

Ha ha well it's depends on who you're taking to because it's only the sonic in a few countries. It's still the aveo in a lot of other places I also read a few articles that said the aveo was manufactured AND designed in Korea. I have yet to have found something that says the aveo was designed in America and produced in Korea.

[Thymeclock]

Ha ha well it's depends on who you're taking to because it's only the sonic in a few countries. It's still the aveo in a lot of other places I also read a few articles that said the aveo was manufactured AND designed in Korea.

OK. Quote your sources so we can determine credibility.

[petrified.rabbit]

The aveo was "styled" and "designed" by italdesign, a firm owned by Giorgietto Giugiaro in italy which has designed a slew of great cars.. The T platform (specifically T200) was designed "worldwide" originally being built borrowing ideas from opel/ vauxhall (saturn) in the UK, and then made into a "universal" platform by gm in US and canada, then final tuned for production in korea. The aveo was also produced in warsaw poland, but those cars were limited to be sold in european markets.

While daewoo was considered a terrible car company. When GM bought them (GMDAT) they gave them the technology and R&D the company needed to fix quite a few problems. The engines and drivetrain in the aveo are holden designed (and found in holden, saturn, vauxhall, daewoo, opel and gm). The assembly of the platform was brought up to global standards. The only real issue with the aveo is the GM standards of quality against price for the american market, due to emissions, engine availability, safety requirements to the cost.


/bunch of useless information

[christian]

OK. Quote your sources so we can determine credibility.

The only sources I'd say are valid are ones from GM themselves, so I'm not posting pointless sources. Maybe GM gave daewoo a couple ideas that make the car more american-like, but there is no way the car was designed in america. It looks way too Asian, in my opinion, especially the front end of the sedan models. Didn't you get that from wikipedia, PR? I've read that but I don't know if the information is valid so I never used it.

[petrified.rabbit]

there are multiple sources beyond wikipedia with the "same" information. wikipedia is like a drunken cliff notes version.

[2010AveoLT]

okay Christian, Lets get one thing straight: All the Aveo/Aveo5 is, is Basic Reliable Cheap Transportation; Nothing More, Nothing Less. its 4 Wheels, an Engine, a Transmission, 4 Doors, 5 Seats, and if you're Lucky, a Decent sound System, Power windows/Locks/Keyless Entry, and OnStar. you OBVIOUSLY don't like your Aveo, so do the Smart thing, and Trade it in for something you DO like.

[Thymeclock]

The only sources I'd say are valid are ones from GM themselves, so I'm not posting pointless sources.

You told us "I also read a few articles that said the aveo was manufactured AND designed in Korea." So I asked you to quote them. But you haven't quoted any sources, and your comment is not credible.

Maybe GM gave daewoo a couple ideas that make the car more american-like, but there is no way the car was designed in america.

That's just your personal opinion, and it is totally unsubstantiated.

It looks way too Asian, in my opinion, especially the front end of the sedan models.

On this point your opinion is simply wrong. You haven't noticed it, but that same body design (front end) is used on the entire Chevy product line for 2009 and after, and as Rabbit said: "The aveo was "styled" and "designed" by italdesign, a firm owned by Giorgietto Giugiaro in italy which has designed a slew of great cars." That is true. Rabbit cited the information and what he quoted is factual, but your comments are just personal speculation. If an Italian designed nose, commissioned and used by Chevy on their entire line of American cars "looks Asian" to you, that says something about what your observation is worth.

And FYI - Holden (the Australian contributor to the car's design) has been owned by GM since 1931.