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I have an 04 with 144,000 miles on it and it needs a clutch.I am seeking any info on the replacement procedure and what parts are involved.I am currently laid off and can't afford to take this to a dealer.Any responses will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
just buy a clutch kit. off ebay. get a upgraded clutch though.
you have to split the engine from the trans unbolt the stuff from the flywheel, bolt the new stuff on (with loctite) and then put the trans back on the engine.
you might need to pull both, you might be able to sneak the tranny out. It sounds and seem involved on the ground. but with a lift a guy could do it in a day.
most tranny places could probably do it for like $400 with parts.. if you shop around (depending on your area)
That is the most important part.Quote:
Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
Get tranny fluid too.
Why do you suggest tranny fluid?
Should that be changed with a clutch change?
Normally when replacing the tranny, you have to pull the axles to get the tranny out. Pulling the axles will spill all the tranny fluid. I am talking from other FWD car experience, not the aveo in particular but I cant see how it would be different.
The actual clutch replacement will take no more than 15-20 min. Dropping the tranny will take 3-6 hours depending on how mechanically inclined you are. Then you have to add on the 3-6 to put it back.
yeah i dont know the aveo tranny that well yet. and it has been too cold to go look. but if the axle CV bolts to a flange then it does not need fluid (like a vw). But if the splines of the axle go into the tranny. you will lose fluid. Unless you drop the whole K frame and just split the engine and tranny (which could be almost as easy sometimes but not specifically with the aveo).
When you say to buy an "upgraded clutch off ebay" how do I know it's "upgraded".There are 3 clutch kits currently listed on ebay. 1)phoenix friction, 2)valeo brute series 5, 3)luk. Any thoughts on any of these three manufactures?
could you post the links so i know i am looking at the same ones?
upgraded would have more hold. there are already two clutches available for the aveo from the factory, one has 30% more hold. This means it wont slip as easily, for more horsepower, going up hills, or just from the weight of the car.
I would get one like that, it won't be any more expensive or harder to push the pedal. but when compared to the stock clutch in the same car it will last longer.
here is the ebay link
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid ... Categories
of those i would buy the valeo kit:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/04-05-06 ... ccessories
only because it includes all the things you will need for install. and i have used valeo parts before. The luk might be just as good, but i have never used one. and the phoenix might be the best, from what they say, but i have never heard of them.
the luk and the phoenix will require you buy more parts also.
i would probably check at an advanced or something similar, and the dealer for their clutch prices before spending $150 though. i doubt the dealer will have it anywhere close. but napa or advanced might..
I know this is an old post but I need to revive it. A week and a half ago, clutch pedal would only go halfway down, got the car home and shut it off, pedal went to the floor and wouldnt return on its own. I went through and resurfaced flywheel, replaced clutch plate, pressure plate and throwout bearing, fork and bearing slid smoothly on shaft, i replaced the external slave cylinder, replaced the clutch master cylinder, bleed the entire system. got in the car, clutch pedal barely moves and stops. I need help bad
you should bring it to me lol
i'll have the tranny out in under 30 minutes, put the new clutch in, and bolt the transmisison back in
total time if everything goes well, less then 2 hours hahahah, i took mine appart so many times i know all the tricks in the book
but seriously tho, its a pretty easy job you can do yourself with the car on jackstands only, i use a friend to help me put the tranny back in the car, i place it under a jack and he slowly jacks it up while i hold and move it into place
ive never used loctite and never had a bolt come loose, but thats entirely up to you if you want to use some or not, i guess it doesnt hurt
While I was replacing my combo throwout bearing/slave cylinder on my ford ranger, I replaced the clutch plate and not the pressure plate. The clutch would not even move. It being the same symptom as your problem. I end up taking the whole thing apart (it was February and not fun) and putting the old clutch plate back in. The lesson I learned from this the pressure plate and clutch plate must MATCH and from now on I always buy a kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulsaveo
Did you buy a kit or just replaced individual parts? From the list and your description you did everything correctly. Can you move the fork mechanically to see if that is working?
clutch kit from sachs (clutch disc, pressure plate and throwout bearing), new slave cylinder, and new master cylinder. turns out the problem is a bent clutch fork lever. so far I am unable to locate a new lever. with the lever being bent, the rod in the slave cylinder is coming all the way out and not contacting the fork lever. once the slave cyl is all the way extended, their is no fluid movement so the clutch pedal wont move at all. if anyone knows where I can get a new fork lever, PLEASE let me know, the chevy plant in lancing michigan canceled the ordered with a reason of "we cant send you what we dont have"
Paul, looks like you did a good job figuring out what is wrong. Just curious how the did the fork get bent in the first place? Fatigue? Just repeated use? I know that part handles a lot of stress. As a cheapo fix, could you actually bend the fork back into alignment until a junkyard part could be found?
Im not sure how the lever bent. But, when the slave cyl extends all the way out to press on the lever for the fork, it does not make contact. I may have to try to bend it back in the mean time, my biggest issue with bending it back, if the metal is already week enough for it to bend one way, me bending it back to the normal position will weaken it even more leaving me in the same situation pretty soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by xintersecty
I just had an idea, I don't have a blow up picture of the part, could be installed backwards? Just an idea, don't flame me if it's wrong :-D
Good question, but the way its designed, the fork will only secure to the rod in one position, and the lever is not removeable from the rod. yesterday I thought that I had positioned the fork incorrectly so last night I dropped the trans for the second time. the rod is grooved in one spot for the set bolt that clamps the forkQuote:
Originally Posted by xintersecty
gmpartsdirect.com: Alternate GM Catalog
they have a release fork listed for $11.54 if that is what it is, I do not know anything about clutches :D
just search for your year and look under clutch, should be under there, might have other things you may need
Thanks hunteroo, all they can get me is the fork itself, I need the release lever which is what the fork bolts too. I may have to start searching wrecking yards
Yeah the junk yards came to me as well, I would just get one off another Aveo, you know you are getting the right part then :D
biggest issue Im having with wrecking yards now, they dont want to remove a trans for a $15 part. I sent M33EVL a message, with him being in england, I asked if he wouldnt mind looking for one there. Also, a guy I went to high school with is in the Air Force and stationed in Korea so I asked him via facebook if he could try to find one for me as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehunterooo
Another long shot, maybe you could look for ebay stores that are parting out wrecked Aveos and ask them, I have seen some on there selling the transmissions, along with other parts of a whole wrecked Aveo they get, might be worth a try if you turn up empty elsewhere.
which part do you need exactly?
clutch release lever GM part 96144874. I sent a few messages to international contacts in hopes of finding and shipping one here.Quote:
Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
I called them yesterday, even though they still have the part listed, they cant get itQuote:
Originally Posted by thehunterooo
thehunterooo, thankyou for helping me with ideas and looking around. I need all the help I can get finding this one part. If I had a honda, I could find any part I could ever need all day long but, then I would be like everyone else LOL
emtaym- if you spent 130 on just the disc you spent too much, you can get a whole clutch kit(example- Sach's) for 130. and alot of people will back me up when i say this, if you need to replace 1 thing in the clutch, your best bet is to replace everything. for example, if you need to replace a throwout bearing, dont just buy a throwout bearing and replace it, since you have the whole clutch assembly out, replace every component.
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Reviving an old thread ?? 2004 aveo w/120,000 miles. Blew out the slave cylinder this week since the clutch fork just bent over causing the slave cylinder to explode out. Never seen that happen before on a car.
I recommend replacing the clutch release lever and fork whenever you do a clutch job on Aveos. It seems to be a common failure and will drive you nuts trying to figure it out when the lever "bends". It may appear fine like mine did, but the lever shifted or bent in the weld even though it appeared fine. This will prevent the clutch pedal from being fully pressed to the floor. Many times it will end up with you blowing out the slave cylinder. Both parts are less than $50 US dollars. Changing them while you already have the transmission out will save you from having to drop the transmission again. If your parts are fine, change them anyway. It may prevent a costly and inconvenient tow bill later. I believe the part numbers for 2004-2008 Aveos are as follows: