Need a block heater... what works best?

My family and I are moving to Edmonton, AB in a month, and in order to prepare our cars, I'm looking into installing block heaters for both. I'm finding the information very easily for my own car, but her Aveo is providing some trouble.

I've looked everywhere online and have not been able to find an OE block heater. The Chevy dealers around here have all told me that it would be a special order, and may take time to obtain. Since we'll be moving up there in the dead of winter, I need to make sure this car has a heater installed before we get up there. I need advice from you northerners on which one is best suited for an Aveo:

Dipstick heater: Didn't even know they had such a thing, generic so it would probably have to be trimmed to fit. Easiest, but probably the least efficient.

Hose heater: Connected to one of the coolant hoses. Pretty easy to install, but I don't know if the heat would be sufficient for this type of engine.

OE heater: Best choice, but it's unclear whether or not I can get one in time.

Magnet heater: I really don't like the idea. Not gonna even consider it, to be honest.

Those of you who use block heaters or who have had them installed... what kind do you have, and out of the options available, what kind would you recommend? Thank you for your input!

I just got a heater for my other car. I wanted something that would warm up the car ASAP so I didn't have to wait and could use it on a whim or unplanned trip. I don't leave it plugged in all the time because they're huge energy hogs. Anyawy, I ended up getting a katz 1000W circulating heater. I figure even 30 minutes with it on should give the coolant a good boost in temperature. To go along with it, I got a remote control switch for it. So, I get up in the morning, turn on the block heater, get ready and go out to a warm car.

Thanks for the info. I ended up ordering a Kat's frost plug heater that fits the Aveo, so we'll see how it turns out. Only one Chevy dealer around here could find the factory block heater in the computer system, and they wanted $80 for the plug and an additional $60 for the cord, with a wait time of at least 2 weeks. Ordered the Kat's version on Amazon for less than $30 and they'll have it to me on Monday, more than enough time to get it installed.

You dont need a block heater, like they say once you start plugging a car in, you will need to plug it all the time... imo pain in the butt.

The car will warm up fast enough even in the coldest of winters, ive had zero problems starting my aveo in -30 degrees C.

I had the oem block heater on my 1.6 and i never used it...

A good battery and decent spark plugs are your friends!

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Originally Posted by Nemasys

You dont need a block heater, like they say once you start plugging a car in, you will need to plug it all the time... imo pain in the butt.

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I'm not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that there's a need to plug it in once you start to due to some mechanical reason, or just due to habit and desire of wanting a warm vehicle?

From what people have told me, with a stock block heater of course. The car gets a "habit" of getting plugged in, and if you forget to plug it one cold night you might have trouble starting the car next morning.

Ive heard that quite a few times actually from different people, im not sure if its just a fluke or if its real, i cant say as ive never used the block heater so.

I lived in Iowa for a winter. I did not have any trouble starting the car at 0. I did have problems getting the windows to stay clear and it would take about 20mins of driving to start catching up. I have an Aveo5 2006.

My Wave never let me down in cold weather. I never plug it in. I was leaving my parents house in -35C weather... the car couldn't even stay warm at idle, but no problems starting it.

i live in upstate NY right on Lake Ontario where the weather is anywhere from 10* to -10* F with wind-chill and ive NEVER had an issue with my car starting or running..

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Originally Posted by Hazed_blue

Thanks for the info. I ended up ordering a Kat's frost plug heater that fits the Aveo, so we'll see how it turns out.

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What's the wattage of the one you ordered? That'll be the biggest factor in how well it works. I'm guessing it's ~350w.

It's unlikely you'd have any trouble starting your car where you're going without a block heater, as long as your battery is good.

But a heater is much better for the engine than an extreme cold start - warm oil gets circulated where it's needed much more quickly. I can hear the difference in the engine sound at start-up between a (very) cold start compared to a start after using a block/coolant heater. Also, it's nice to have cabin heat within a couple of minutes of starting up.

I've been using a block heater for years. I'm a fan of the inline tank-style circulating heater, mostly because they come in the most powerful versions. Which means the coolant gets warmer, and you don't have to plug it in for as long. I've got an 800w one now. Was using an external, bolt-on element style OEM heater that was 350w before.

Nemasys: I've heard that rumour before too - about block heaters "spoiling" a car. It's not true. When I asked for an explanation, there wasn't one. The only possible one I can think of is an engine that is in really bad shape (tune) may start with help from a block heater, but not without it. But that's a basic maintenance issue, not a block heater issue. Like you said: good spark & a strong battery.

I know this is an OLD thread, BUT any update on this?

I'm considering buying some sort of heater for Chewy, I would love to go out to a warm car. As Metro said, warm starts are better cold starts.

-Andrew

My update would be the same: getting a block heater is worth it on so many levels. Just make sure you get a powerful one.

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Originally Posted by MetroMPG

My update would be the same: getting a block heater is worth it on so many levels. Just make sure you get a powerful one.

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Do you have any suggestions? I've been googling and looking and there's several to pick from....

Thanks,
-Andrew

Well, I got mine from eBay. It's a Katt's 800w tank style heater. Thermosyphon style circulation.

There is probably an OEM block heater for the Aveo as well that may require you to pull a frost plug out and install it directly in the water jacket. But, again, I'd only do this if the wattage of the heater is decent.

That way, 45 - 60 min is all you need for a decent amount of heat, eg (for a 1.0L engine)...

http://www.metrompg.com/posts/photos...mup-800w-z.gif

Ditto, go big! And make sure you put it on a timer so you don't use a ton of electricity haha.

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Originally Posted by MetroMPG

Well, I got mine from eBay. It's a Katt's 800w tank style heater. Thermosyphon style circulation.

There is probably an OEM block heater for the Aveo as well that may require you to pull a frost plug out and install it directly in the water jacket. But, again, I'd only do this if the wattage of the heater is decent.

That way, 45 - 60 min is all you need for a decent amount of heat, eg (for a 1.0L engine)...

http://www.metrompg.com/posts/photos...mup-800w-z.gif

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I think I'll order the one you have, any tips on where/how to install it? Is/was it a pain?

My next task will be on how to hook it up at my apartment complex, there's no outlets on the front side if our apartments, only on the back deck. I don't think I could run a cord out the window and still lock the window. I will have to do some thinking. There's no point in me buying one, if I can't plug it in this winter. :D

Thanks For The Input as well Tim.

Thanks,

-Andrew

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Originally Posted by AndrewButler05

I know this is an OLD thread, BUT any update on this?

I'm considering buying some sort of heater for Chewy, I would love to go out to a warm car. As Metro said, warm starts are better cold starts.

-Andrew

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Yeah, I'd love to go out to a warm car in winter, too. It depends upon what you expect a "warm car" to be. If you want to go out to a warm car in winter you will need to move to a warmer place - like Florida. :eek: :razz:

From your latest posts, apparently you don't have the car garaged and you would need to run a power cord out to where it is parked to warm it electrically. Virtually any car will start in temps down to zero degrees F if the car is in good roadworthy condition. If it's much colder where you are on a regular basis, then a block heater is recommended. Short of that, you might try insulating the engine compartment and using a 100W, politically incorrect light bulb. Incandescent bulbs put out more heat than light. It will provide some warmth and raise the ambient temp under the hood. Remember, cold is cold and winter is winter, but it's all relative - compared to WHAT?. 20 degrees F is more comfortable than 0 degrees F. Either way you will need to deal with the nuisance of the power cord and the added expense to your electric bill.

Another option would be to buy heated clothing (Gerbings) and plug your outfit into the cigarette lighter on your car. As long as the car starts, you'll be warm. But heated clothing doesn't come cheap.

Hat, scarf, gloves, long underwear, boots. We can hardly wait for winter... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Thymeclock

Yeah, I'd love to go out to a warm car in winter, too. It depends upon what you expect a "warm car" to be. If you want to go out to a warm car in winter you will need to move to a warmer place - like Florida. :eek: :razz:

From your latest posts, apparently you don't have the car garaged and you would need to run a power cord out to where it is parked to warm it electrically. Virtually any car will start in temps down to zero degrees F if the car is in good roadworthy condition. If it's much colder where you are on a regular basis, then a block heater is recommended. Short of that, you might try insulating the engine compartment and using a 100W, politically incorrect light bulb. Incandescent bulbs put out more heat than light. It will provide some warmth and raise the ambient temp under the hood. Remember, cold is cold and winter is winter, but it's all relative - compared to WHAT?. 20 degrees F is more comfortable than 0 degrees F. Either way you will need to deal with the nuisance of the power cord and the added expense to your electric bill.

Another option would be to buy heated clothing (Gerbings) and plug your outfit into the cigarette lighter on your car. As long as the car starts, you'll be warm. But heated clothing doesn't come cheap.

Hat, scarf, gloves, long underwear, boots. We can hardly wait for winter... :rolleyes:

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Thanks for the input. It is usually like 30 degrees here, it is rarely colder than 20. I think I'll wait beings how it doesn't get extremely cold here, and I always let Chewy warm up some Before I blast off to class.

Thanks,
-Andrew

My wife and I rarely take off with a cold engine even in the summer. I've always believed it was better for the engine to warm to operating temperature before applying all of the pressure and strain that is generated with normal engine operation. I think this is especially true with aluminum heads. Also, we don't believe in scraping ice or frost from the windows. Instead we start our vehicle and let them warm up to the point where the windows are defrosted. This said, several years ago when gas started reaching the $3 mark I started putting a small bathroom heater in the floorboard of the car on those cold nights and turned the thermostat on really low. I figured electricity was cheaper than gas. Now I know that does nothing for heating the motor, but it does eliminate the idling time to defrost the windows as well as not having an ice cold interior. I also ordered an alarm kit w/ remote start that will work w/ a stick shift. Four years later it is still sitting in my living room floor. I also ordered a ZEROSTART 1500 watt tank style heater. I've never installed it either. Do you have any suggestions about mounting the heater?

I've used magnetics before, they work fine if you use a timer and make a bracket to secure them to the bottom of the oil pan.

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Originally Posted by AndrewButler05

I think I'll order the one you have, any tips on where/how to install it? Is/was it a pain?

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The main thing is to ensure it's oriented properly so the thermosyphon effect will work... ie. have the "outlet" end of the tank pointed upwards.