so went to the scrap yard.. there are several sub-frames there we could pull... do i need an '06 to get the right one or does the newer aveos have the same?? also after doing a bit more research i think whats actually happened is the subframe mounts and bushings likely took a bit of a beating over the years, and then all the lateral g-forces ive been putting on it just worked it loose... prob a combination of things.. hence my thought to just replace the whole thing along with the control arm, an in depth inspection of the rest of the front end.. and then another alignment sesssion that hopefully gets 'er back in spec. Car still handles well but not like the first few months after the lowering session.. cant wait for it to stick like that again.. might even beef it up with the ultraracing front lower braces in the new year in one big session