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Has anyone noticed a sharp increase of road bullying in the past few years? I can't go anywhere without having someone trying to run me off the road.
I'd be brushteethin my bathroom, and there would be a car honking and swerving at me. Okay that was exaggerated, but it definitely seems that way.
Is this a real trend, or is it just me ?
its the way younger people have been raised..
the "all about me" generation too busy staying connected to pay attention to what is physically near by.
just like as we watch oprah's minions getting further into adulthood, the divorce rates keep climbing. because she always told everyone: you can't love someone else if you don't love your self, your #1 and go do what makes you happy..
Do not have that problem in Florida, though I am the one that bullies people driving 50mph in the fastlane on the highway...
It's just you. :sign11:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aveeo
Bullying has been around since the beginning of time. It's part of pack animal behavior. But bullies don't bully everyone, or even anyone at random; they instinctively bully the weakest in the pack.
The bullied need to learn how to deal with bullies. They need education to stop being and acting like victims, not protection from anyone else.
There is some miscommunication here =;, but it's my fault for using unfamiliar names. I'm not talking about the recent anti-bullying campaigns, but aggressive driving/road raging. I just call them road bullies. I was wondering if anyone has noticed an increase in road rage/aggression in the last few years (maybe 2008+) ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thymeclock
How are you affected by this? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aveeo
Can you provide some specific examples of what you call "road bullying"?
tx aint too bad. teens are tho. i like 2 give them break checks every now n then. i dont reccommend
I dont know if this applies or not but I notice a definite difference on how I'm treated by other drivers depending on what car I'm in. Example being if I'm in the Aveo it seems as if I'm almost invisible to other cars larger than I but if I'm driving my Suburban then the whole game changes.
You shouldn't really get bullied if you follow these rules:
1. Keep right except to pass. Keep right except to pass. Keep right except to pass. Keep right except to pass. Are you getting passed on the right? Well you shouldn't be in the left lane, now should you.
2. Go the speed limit OR Don't go slower than the speed limit (some places you might still get bullied if you only go the speed limit).
3. Don't drive distracted. Seriously, I hate you if you do. If you are going to talk on your cell and drive, get in the right lane.
4. Use your turn signal appropriately.
5. Accelerate at a decent rate.
6. Don't do anything stupid. ie Don't cut anyone off, don't interfere with someone's right of way or impede them unless absolutely necessary.
7. And overall, BE PREDICTABLE!
Most of the "bullying" or "road rage" that I see stems directly from not following one of these rules. And I usually get a little rage because you aren't just taking your own life in your hands if you are a poor driver. Florida is one of the worst states I've been in for poor drivers. One of the reasons I'm moving back to upstate NY is because I know some ****ty driver is going to crash their 3 ton SUV into my Aveo and kill/maim me if I live in Florida much longer. Sorry for the negativity/rant, but the real reason that people are more aggressive is because most drivers out there leave something to be desired.
I have never had an issue here, people cut me off from time to time but it all seems okay. People changing lanes every 3 seconds makes me rage, I have never understood why weaving in and out of traffic is a good idea. Driving in Tampa does not annoy me as I once thought it did, I guess I just tolerate things a bit too much :D
The worst thing possible though, is someone coming up behind you, passing you, gets in front of you (for like an on-ramp) and does not speed up, I end up getting pissed off. They could have stayed behind me, idk why they had to pass and then go slower than a snail.
The Aveo is pretty safe though, I wouldnt mind getting in a wreck in it (not a wreck that would kill you in any car...), the airbags are what scare me though...I just hope if someone does hit me, please total the car :p
Of all the comments, I like this one the best. I have a Ford Ranger, not so bad on tail-haters (pun). As soon I am in the aveo, small car gets pushed around by some stupid SUV way to f'ng close. I used to be bad about tail-gating and I learned that keeping more distance actually allowed me to maneuver better and/or distance to accelerate.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYChevoo
This morning I had a dumb biatch tail-gate me, as I was accelerating to pass. She was all over me and I let her know not to play with me and then I let her go. I loved watching her tail-every over person up the high-way this morning. She was part of the me generation!
Yes I do think that aggressive driving is on the rise. We have all the factors mentioned before (small vs. big, me generation, distracted driving, stupid people). I took a safety driving class this past fall and we over aggressive driving, I am just as guilty as the next A-hole.
I wish law-enforcement would do stuff curb the behavior instead of pulling people for speeding. On the way to church on sunday, we had three cars pulled over on a empty road. The police here are too lazy to enforce things that would make a difference instead they do easy things like speeding. If there are any police on the forum I would like to here your views as I know you have a way too tough of a job.
For example: Statistically about 1/4 of accidents are directly reported to speeding then an other 1/4 are control violations (traffic lights and such), I sure don't see cops stopping people for running red lights and I assure you that the big thing to do in the south.
Now I am going to get on my soap box about our car culture. I love my cars and my aveo, but dammit cars are dangerous and can really kill you. Every time you pass somebody slower on the road (cyclist, mo-ped, scooter) how much room do you give them to pass? A lot or do you just zip right by? This sunday in the parking lot, I had a stupid old man skim with the nose of his car as I was locking my door he passed within a foot of my body. If had hit the accelerator, I would have been pinned and seriously hurt. Don't take chances with lives, don't take chances with the care and injury anybody.
Cars are dangerous.
By the way, I don't believe in car accidents just poor risk assessment as somebody made a choice to injury somebody.
And just in case of staying the right hand lane, cars are dangerous!
i've found people only peek to change lanes on the highway instead of accessing the speed of the car your going to pull in front of. many times i will see a driver turn his head and look at me when i am 4-5 car lengths behind, but then when they actually go to change lanes i am beside them. or will change lanes to pass a mack truck right as i am coming up beside them..
when it comes to "aggressive" i am very aggressive. but i am courteous. i don't rage to other drivers but i do speed on ope highway. i take corners fast, etc. But i do not speed in residential areas, i always wait for other drivers to move over so i can pass them (two chances), and give cushions, etc if they deserve it. I know exactly what i can and cannot do in my car so i respect that as well.
they teach you to be a defensive driver, i am offensive.. i am trying to get to my "end zone" without being touched by any of the defensive drivers..
things that drive me crazy (short list)
quickly pulling out in front of me (even running a stop sign in some instances) to go no where. 40mph might be way to fast to pull out of the parking lot, side street, whatever, but when the speed limit on the road is 55, staying at 40 once your in front of me is unacceptable. you should have waited to pull out.
having to pass the car in the fast lane that was in front of you when it pulls over.. if the fast lane is going 70-75 mph and the front car pulls over, why do you need to stay in the fast lane until your in front of them, especially if they dont slow down? or if i was the front car why do you need to accelerate to 90mph to pass me, then slow down again once i get stuck behind you?
moving right to turn left, and left to turn right. been so close to getting sideswiped so many times because the guy in the hummer, escalade thinks they can just pull into the other lane to make the turn in the opposite direction.
coming to a complete stop to turn right.
Right on Rabbit! And well said!Quote:
Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
Since I'm in metro NY I can say that most of the lousy drivers are former NY'ers (mostly retirees) that moved to Florida. Some of them still go back and forth (from the FL plates we see here). I call them 'Floridiots'. Many are elderly and probably couldn't pass a driver's test if they were retested. The old joke is that in Florida they sometimes drive on the sidewalks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fighting Irish
But NY is a lot to blame, too. In the past decade, since about 1990, NY state was handing out driver's licenses to virtually anyone who could sign their names. The licensing fees are a lucrative form of revenue. And then there are the immigrants (both legal and illegal) who are driving without any licenses.
You mentioned "predictable". That's the type that bothers me the most, the unpredictable. You can't take your eyes off them for a moment, as they might do something stupid.
the thing with florida is all the illegals (in the past decade or so). they all come here, drive cars, and don't have insurance. But most of them come from countries where roads are one lane and you go around each other and they don't really have driving laws.. like haiti. My friend told me when he visited there, most of the road connecting the towns were one lane and it was a game of chicken and or being run off the road to drive on.. it was one of the few times in he life he said he was truly scared for his life. then in the cities, more of the roads are only 1 1/2 cars wide. so they swerve around people where they can..
now they drive on 4 lane highways in florida, they probably don't understand what the lines are for.
I will have to say that driving in Miami is a nightmare because not only there are a lot violent people but crazy and get pissed off for anything simple.
Seeing me right turn onto the road and slam the gas pedal down through the floor. This is usually a Dodge Ram or any of the new Midsize crossover vehicles attempting this behavior. I don't go until there is plenty of space to safely accelerate, but there will always be that one jackass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thymeclock
I'd be cruising along in the right lane (55 mph speed limit) and have someone fly on my tail with 3 free lanes of traffic free to use. They play chicken on some of these back roads; the rednecks like to knock old people in Buicks off the road for fun. The people like to park on both sides on narrow 2 lane city streets, and they like to go about 20 over the speed limit in the middle of the road.
It's uncalled for behavior, it affects me because my insurance flew sky high when I first moved here. I can drive in Atlanta in rush hour no problem, but this playing chicken crap gets old really fast.
I can't attest to the law in every state, but I'd bet it is the same universally: you cannot register a car without documented proof of insurance. Sure, you might have a license (or not) and can drive someone else's car, but to own (read: get plates for) a vehicle you need proof of having liability insurance. [/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
Well, if you slowly creep out at the last second in front of someone going the speed limit on a major thoroughfare, don't expect them to be happy if they need to slam on their brakes to avoid your not yielding right of way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aveeo
OTOH, if you did have plenty of room to enter reasonably, and are driving responsibly, all you need do is ignore them completely. Once you have entered and are both proceeding in the same direction you need not worry about being rear ended. In rear end collisions the offending vehicle is entirely at fault.
Let them sit behind you and wait, or pass you, since they have ample opportunity. You are too easily intimidated.Quote:
I'd be cruising along in the right lane (55 mph speed limit) and have someone fly on my tail with 3 free lanes of traffic free to use.
Are you old? Do you drive a Buick? It seems to me you are hyping this up.Quote:
They play chicken on some of these back roads; the rednecks like to knock old people in Buicks off the road for fun.
How is this relevant?Quote:
The people like to park on both sides on narrow 2 lane city streets, and they like to go about 20 over the speed limit in the middle of the road.
This makes no sense. You insurance rates are set by the area in which you live, determined by population density and your age, primarily. If you have accidents or tickets, your driving record (which follows you for 40 months) will make your insurance premium fly "sky high". (I get the impression there is more to this story than is being told.)Quote:
It's uncalled for behavior, it affects me because my insurance flew sky high when I first moved here.
So far, what you have described is not the "chicken" scenario. Let 'em hit you. I'll say it again: bullies choose their 'victims'.Quote:
I can drive in Atlanta in rush hour no problem, but this playing chicken crap gets old really fast.
i am not sure how the laws are written in every/any other state, but from my understanding, you need to be a resident just to buy a car. I believe/understand in PA you need to be a resident to buy insurance, even car insurance.
i imagine these guys are driving around on signed titles?
some states the plates stay with the car, and you can update the address on the internet (loophole?) i know i bought a car from seattle right after the guy renewed the plates, and i was "legally" driving it for a year on those plates here in pittsburgh.
imho if illegals, etc put as much effort into life as they do beating the system they could all be productive and rich tax paying members of society.. i dont know how they get away with it, i know my parents got hit in the church van, they guys just got out of their car and ran away, leaving the car behind.. it was registered to a dead guy.
If you examine a DMV registration application you will realize that you don't need to own the vehicle to register it, or even reside in that state. The registrant must be licensed and have the vehicle insured before it can be registered in that particular state (meaning license plates and registration issued to some person or entity). The registrant (person or corporation) must have liability insurance for whatever damages might be caused by that vehicle, no matter who is driving it.Quote:
Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
That might be peculiar to your state. I don't think it's allowed in the more populated states for more than a short grace period, if at all. There are very few (if any?) states left that don't require mandated liability insurance.Quote:
i imagine these guys are driving around on signed titles?
some states the plates stay with the car, and you can update the address on the internet (loophole?) i know i bought a car from seattle right after the guy renewed the plates, and i was "legally" driving it for a year on those plates here in pittsburgh.
All the laws on earth can't help you if you are hit by a car that was stolen. The laws we have are meant to keep ordinary citizens in line. Nothing really can keep a criminal in line - except maybe prison, ...or execution.:rolleyes:Quote:
imho if illegals, etc put as much effort into life as they do beating the system they could all be productive and rich tax paying members of society.. i dont know how they get away with it, i know my parents got hit in the church van, they guys just got out of their car and ran away, leaving the car behind.. it was registered to a dead guy.
illegal aliens are criminals, i don't care if you want to be here, be here legally.
they get the governments free ride in florida, everything from free healthcare to not paying taxes, how do i become an illegal if its "ok" to be one otherwise?
all states require insurance as far as i know as well, even the car i bought had insurance i bought, without transferring it.
I don't understand the question. I assume you are a US citizen and a taxpayer. As long as you are, you get to support aliens that are here illegally. If it doesn't sit well with you, you will need to "petition your elected representatives" (meaning beg them) to enforce the existing laws that are being ignored. But don't be surprised if they are given amnesty instead, an idea promoted by politicians who hope to garner their votes. There is power in numbers...Quote:
Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
Hey, this didn't happen overnight. Somebody invited them here and/or 'turned a blind eye' toward allowing it to happen. Funny how that never is mentioned... :rolleyes:
No, insurance doesn't get "transferred". If you want to register a vehicle you must buy insurance. Then, as the policyholder, you can add as many cars to the policy as you wish and obtain plates for them - providing you pay the insurance fees, as determined by the company insuring you. No proof of insurance, no plates will be issued. If you get the proof of insurance and obtain the plates, then cancel your insurance, the insurance company will report it to the issuing state. Which means you might get away with driving uninsured temporarily, but not for long.Quote:
Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
i meant i could insure the car without owning it. not transfer the insurance.
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Originally Posted by Thymeclock
I ran aveeo off the road with my swagger, I am such a boss
I like the people who honk at me when I am at a stoplight and it just turns green. People who dont drive manual transmissions dont realize that unless we want to add wear and tear to our clutch, were not always in gear so it takes a half a second to get moving. I love to mimic the driver behind me if they make angry motions at me. Then I blow them a kiss (male or female) and if its a female I will make the V symbol with my fingers and make a licking action. Their expressions always change from angry to WTF? It hasnt failed me yet and as some pass me, they wont even look at me. Empowerment.
Moral of the story, dont honk at me unless I am at fault. Sorry if your double mocha expresso shot coffee from starbucks has you so on edge that you have to be everywhere at once and pee.
just be a boss and own the roadQuote:
Originally Posted by thehunterooo